Long Day in the Challenger

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Long Day in the Challenger

Postby chopper_nut » Sat Aug 09, 2025 6:23 am

Managed to do a bit of simming over the last few days. Got the mighty Hot Start Challenger 650 around Europe and back to the US. The route was CYYT - LPPT LPPT - LIRN LIRN - ENGM ENGM - KBOS - KPDX over four days. The Hot Start Challenger is, in my opinion, the most detailed, most immersive and most expensive :lol: aircraft ever for a simulator.

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Re: Long Day in the Challenger

Postby Charl » Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:48 am

This set me off on some breakfast-time browsing.

Amazing to think this plane is the (developed) product of Bill Lear's fertile imagination, 50 years ago.

Interesting too, that the Dev would choose XP as the platform for a NZ$200 bird! :o
The graphics are good but not in MSFS league.
In my armchair pilot sim, the stock MS Citation X does the job.

But I guess for this one you'd be more focussed on knowing the turbine inlet temperature and so on (which functions the promotional clips are quick to point out, are all physics-based). I wish you Happy Immersive Flying!

Wondering what drove you to choose Newfoundland as the jumping-off point for a hop to Lisbon?
You could easily do round trip out of Boston.
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Re: Long Day in the Challenger

Postby chopper_nut » Sun Aug 10, 2025 4:53 am

So, several things here. The developer, Hot Start, was developing long before msfs came out (TBM 900) and I really don't think that this level of detail could work easily with msfs. XP is dataref driven. Everything is measured and so all you need to do is tap into that. Black Square comes close but their King Air (the only product I own) was pretty disappointing I thought. The study panels are interesting but not really the reason that I use the Challenger. I feel that the way that the aircraft behaves in the world is far superior to anything else that I've ever experienced. It is a simulation not of the aeroplane, but of operating the aeroplane.

I bought the Challenger a few years back when the exchange rate was good so I certainly didn't pay $200.

The default Citation X is very good for a default aeroplane but the VNAV is a bit buggy (it's supposed to get fixed in the next update) and the FMS isn't quite functional enough for me. The reason that I jumped off from Newfoundland was because I'd never been there in the sim before. Nothing else
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Re: Long Day in the Challenger

Postby Charl » Sun Aug 10, 2025 7:27 am

It is a simulation not of the aeroplane, but of operating the aeroplane

That is well put.
Glad you didn't pay the current price, that must be a rarified market.
Thanks for giving us a glimpse.
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