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Postby BruceR » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:52 pm

Thanks for the replies. I've got some playing around to do - probably next weekend. It's pleasing to see Wanaka does in fact work with NZSI SP3. I think I've got my head around the "insertion point". Before I go looking where Toprob suggests, would someone have a look at the order of my scenery as it appears in FSX and tell me if that could be the problem. Are there any glaring mistakes with this order?

Real NZ Tauranga
Supercity
Nelson aerial
Nelson
Wanaka
Tekapo
VLC_libruaries
VLCGodzoneNZTU
VLCGodzoneHokitika
HamiltonX_airport
TaupoX
New Plymouth
FTXAA_Orbxlibs
FTXAA_Airports
FTXAA_YBAS
(plus another 19 FTX airports)
FTXAU05_Roads
(plus another 13 FTXAU files)
FTX_AA_EDBH
_NZMF
_NZQN
FTX_EU_ENG_05_Scenery, plus CVX, Mesh, Custom
FTX_NA_SAK05_Scenery, plus CVX, Mesh, Custom
FTX_NZNI_05_Scenery, plus CVX, Mesh, Custom
FTX_NZSI_05_Scenery, plus CVX, Mesh, Custom
(and Pacific and other scenery)

Thanks for looking

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Postby Naki » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:34 pm

Is there anyway of getting rid of the double fence line in Wanaka. Looks like a double up of RealNZ and Orbx fences.... or is suppose to be like that in real life?
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Postby Ian Warren » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:40 pm

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.... or is suppose to be like that in real life?

Single Line fence only and the fences go down after the show or least the way it was , have not been down since 2008 .
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Postby toprob » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:41 pm

Naki wrote:
QUOTE (Naki @ Aug 11 2014,7:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there anyway of getting rid of the double fence line in Wanaka. Looks like a double up of RealNZ and Orbx fences.... or is suppose to be like that in real life?


I think you can probably disable the Orbx objects file:

ADE_FTX_NZSI_NZWF_objects.bgl

...by changing the extension to something else.
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Postby omitchell » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:58 pm

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I think you can probably disable the Orbx objects file:

ADE_FTX_NZSI_NZWF_objects.bgl

...by changing the extension to something else.


Still shows double for me
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Postby toprob » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:26 pm

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Still shows double for me


Sorry, yeah, wrong file. The fences are in:

FBP_FTX_NZSI_NZWF.bgl
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Postby omitchell » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:33 pm

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Sorry, yeah, wrong file. The fences are in:

FBP_FTX_NZSI_NZWF.bgl


Will check that out when I get on the ground. Half way between Norfolk Island and Auckland just now with a cabin de-pressurization. First time ever lol
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Postby Naki » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:47 pm

Ok thanks Rob
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Postby BruceR » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:09 pm

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The problem is that the NZSI SP3 patch puts some files back which my installer disables by changing the file extension. So the solution is to find these duplicates, and get rid of the active Orbx versions.

For example, with Wanaka, search your FSX folder for 'NZWF'.

You'll probably get a dozen or more files. Some will be in the RealNZwanaka folder, some in the Orbx folders, and a couple in Scenery\World\Scenery.

The ones you need to check are in ORBX\FTX_NZ\FTX_NZSI_05_SCENERY\scenery and Scenery\World\Scenery.

Make sure the search results are sorted in name order, and look for Orbx files which have both a .bgl and a .bak extension. (You may need to make sure that known extensions are visible.)

If you find duplicates, and they both have the same file date, then just delete the .bgl file.
If the .bgl file has a later file date (that is, it was changed by the patch) then delete the .bak version, and rename to .bgl version to .bak

Simple, eh? smile.gif

Do that for any airports which you have problems with.

If Wanaka still doesn't work well, then try running the Southern Lakes Switcher, and toggling FTX-compatibility off and on again. The Switch should be in your Start menu under Godzone\Southern Lakes

Later scenery will have installers which tidy up this sort of problem, but so far only the Subscription scenery installers use this.



Toprob, I've checked the folders you suggested. In scenery/world/scenery there is a duplication. I tried deleting the files the way you said but it doesn't make any difference. I have since put the files back. These are the two files I found;

ADE_FTX_NZSI_NZWF_elevation_adjustment.bak 14/08/2012 3:20pm
ADE_FTX_NZSI_NZWF_elevation_adjustment.BGL 14/08/2012 5:20pm

When I load Wanaka there's massive ditches and the aircraft is sitting about 20' in the air. Do you think these files are the cause. If so, how should I treat them?

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Postby toprob » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:28 pm

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QUOTE (BruceR @ Aug 12 2014,8:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Toprob, I've checked the folders you suggested. In scenery/world/scenery there is a duplication. I tried deleting the files the way you said but it doesn't make any difference. I have since put the files back. These are the two files I found;

ADE_FTX_NZSI_NZWF_elevation_adjustment.bak 14/08/2012 3:20pm
ADE_FTX_NZSI_NZWF_elevation_adjustment.BGL 14/08/2012 5:20pm

When I load Wanaka there's massive ditches and the aircraft is sitting about 20' in the air. Do you think these files are the cause. If so, how should I treat them?

Thanks


Bruce Ross


This is the elevation stub file, and it should be de-activated if you want to use Real NZ Wanaka. Since this is the same file (based on the file date/time stamp) you can just delete the .bgl. If you want to go back to using it, then you can rename it .bgl at any time.

However it is unlikely that this duplication exists without a duplication in ORBX\FTX_NZ\FTX_NZSI_05_SCENERY\scenery as well. So fixing any duplicates there should do the trick.

However in the less-likely event that there are no duplicates, it should be possible to fix this by running the Southern Lakes Switcher, and toggling FTX-compatibility off and on.
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Postby BruceR » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:48 pm

YES! Finally got Wanaka working - thanks to you Toprob. I couldn't have done it without your advice. So Thank you. You were right. There was a duplication in the ORBX/FTX_NZSI folder. I didn't see it the first time I looked. It was ADE_FTX_NZSI_NZWF_CVX.bak and BGL. I deleted the BGL, and also the two files in scenery/world/scenery. Everything works just fine.

Thanks again.

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Postby omitchell » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:16 pm

Weird issue

When I Try to go to Tekapo there is 2 entries, N204 for Pukaki which I can load, but when I try to load NZTL for Lake Tekapo the sim crashes right out as soon as it starts loading. This didn't happen prior to SP3...

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: fsx.exe
Application Version: 10.0.61637.0
Application Timestamp: 46fadb14
Fault Module Name: g3d.dll
Fault Module Version: 10.0.61637.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 46fadb58
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 0006cdd0
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 5129
Additional Information 1: 576b
Additional Information 2: 576bb328a52de573460e09e5df6f139a
Additional Information 3: a8f5
Additional Information 4: a8f5f96e4f320775d93afd1cf6a345a6
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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:25 pm

I installed Tekapo this weekend without a problem, put in mind every thing here is a new install and registrations cleaned out.. reason for the mesh/flatten model fix.
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Postby omitchell » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:28 pm

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I installed Tekapo this weekend without a problem, put in mind every thing here is a new install and registrations cleaned out.. reason for the mesh/flatten model fix.


This is a new install as of last night
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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:42 pm

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This is a new install as of last night

It is a registry issue then.
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Postby omitchell » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:47 pm

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It is a registry issue then.


Solution?
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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:00 pm

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Solution?

Yes there is , a program called CCleaner, surprising all the little files that cause these, you have to be careful of what files you are looking for , fortunate and so lucky with me is I have my own computer scientist Greg who stops here regular .. when you have many paywares they do talk to each other in a sense and after a while it gets to a stage were it simply says its had enough.
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Postby omitchell » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:07 pm

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Yes there is , a program called CCleaner, surprising all the little files that cause these, you have to be careful of what files you are looking for , fortunate and so lucky with me is I have my own computer scientist Greg who stops here regular .. when you have many paywares they do talk to each other in a sense and after a while it gets to a stage were it simply says its had enough.


Yeah ran CCleaner and same thing.
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Postby toprob » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:11 pm

omitchell wrote:
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Weird issue

When I Try to go to Tekapo there is 2 entries, N204 for Pukaki which I can load, but when I try to load NZTL for Lake Tekapo the sim crashes right out as soon as it starts loading. This didn't happen prior to SP3...


This sounds like the issue with 64bit systems, which crash when a previously-non-existent airfield is added.

There's a fix here, just add the stub and see if it helps.
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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:12 pm

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Yeah ran CCleaner and same thing.

One thing I have done and worked was install the scenery into a independent folder - have it named Tekapo and install it manually .
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