helicopter simming

[creator2003]

do many of you fly rotor wing just wondering how many sim helos in nz?
i know its hard to getting into it when you been flying fixed wing for so long , then you try rotor an go nose first into the ground thats because its near impossible to fly fs helo at easy or hard realism setting in fs9 its like trying to fly a boat around a slot car track so many give up and miss out on the real experance of them in fs
there are so many freeware helicopters out there with better flight dinamics now than the default 206 bell and r22 its worth a go

[Charl]

Yep I am a closet rotorwinger.
Nothing like a chopper to cruise around some new scenery.
Owen Hewett's Bell 206 changed my flightsim life for good.
And all FS settings are maxed, I'm thinking of starting a fraternity: the Max Club
I even made a video based around Mt Cook!
See mtcook.zip at flightsim.com (there is a lite version mtcooklr.zip for the bandwidth challenged).

[creator2003]

setting in my helos are as yours maxed but with one change
REALISM
general slider all the way then back one to 99%
p factor silder all the way
torque as a above
next one the same
SENSITIVITIES
All sliders to the right and no null zone sliders to the left
that is the way most ive found in other forums and website fly rotorwing
i also fly the 206 but i got the dodo 206 for its realism its gotta be the closes thing to the real thing in fs helo to date but there are some really good one now
custom md500 at hovercontrol is the latest

[Charl]

Had a quick fly around with that MD500 - feisty little machine innit?
I love the laquer black paint, shows off the interior beautifully.
Thanks for the pointer

[Codge]

Yip,I love these ultimate machines that people shy away from for various reasons.In FS I took 3 solid months with no pedals or twist joystick before I got the hang of it.I did end up buying both of these and they helped with realism and they are advised-at least a twist joystick, but not a must have.The main thing is exactly what the FS tutorial says-Keep trying and learn to anticipate.It is worth it you will be so proud of yourself when suddenly you've got it! Then you'll get over confident and go through a string of crashes and realize a healthy respect that you are only novice,I am still a novice,ask anyone watching me land on an oilrig in any wind! I like the Huey for the sound and the freeware 412 by Jordan Moore of Hovercontrol. I learnt in the default r22 it is way easier than the 206. If you have no means of tail rotor control just a little bit of foward stick(cyclic) and full throttle(collective). Sure this style does not help much with hovering and landing but it will get you flying and getting the feel and get you hooked enough not to give up and keep going and saving up for some tail control(pedals are best for realism but twist joystick is fine)You get to explore way more of the FS world than fixed wing pilots do,like which buildings are solid to land on and which are holograms! Once you've got the hang of it you'll never look back.

[SUBS17]

I like helicopter sims which involve killing tanks and other aircraft so sims such as Longbow and Longbow 2 are more my style. Looking ahead in a few months time is this
http://www.thebattlesim.com/index.php?e ... ts&lang=en

Scary ain't it, the IBRIS gear is impressive as you can plot targets and the FLOT etc although it is unergonomic in its setup. And I thought F16s were fun to startup, this beast has buttons everywhere(including behind the joystick- you have to physically move your head in 6dof to push those buttons.

[creator2003]

VERY cool i like that ,
ive seen it in a fs sim movie cruzing along with trucks along a road is that not a kaman aligator? like the one in fs2004
abacus chopper havoc set has guns and rocket effects but nothing blows up ,
good thing anyway id hate to have to work out how my objects would be blow apart but on the other hand id like to blow things out of this solar system

and yes i think rudder pedels or rudder on the stick is a must i to started out with no rudders pedel etc and was all ways crashing until i got one
ive got a couple of payware helo and i thing most of the freeware ones at hovercontrol are far better with simulation in most cases
latest ones ive got all payware
merlin from alphasim not bad
r44 from swedbird has to be one of my fav
cera 212bell nice chopper with bambi bucket very cool
kaman 26 from nemeth bros very cool spraying crop dusting heli
and ofcourse the lama with bambi bucket ,logs ,cargo etc about 30 different textures
helicopters in fs have provin to be some of the hardest aircraft to flight like the real world but once you can do it you can land anything
planes in fs are now dead easy to land( my opinion) after learning to fly rotorwing

[SUBS17]

It is a KA50 gunship, yes you can shoot vehicles and aircraft and they will blow up. They also shoot back, its an addon for lockon Modern Aircombat the aircraft has an advanced flight model so it will not be easy to fly. Other flyable aircraft F-15C, A-10/OA-10, Mig29A, Mig29C, SU33, SU27, SU25 and SU25T. The SU25 and 25T are the only other aircraft with Advanced Flight Model and KA50 is the only one with clickable pit using 6dof trakir support(the others are trakir with vector support)

[Bandit]

Yep, I'm a Rotorhead.
Prefer the Whirlybirds followed by the Low and Slow planks.

I enjoy the mountain flying so they suit my tastes.
Favourites at the moment are the new MD500e from Hovercontrol. It's amazing.

Also spend a bit of time in the Squirrel with a Helipro repaint. They fly over home most days so it's quite neat to be on the sim and the real thing comes overhead.

I'm still coming to grips with my landings but no matter what anybody tells you an Iroquois CAN fly upside down at night up the Hutt Valley and they do bounce.

Also had a go at fastroping some Army Rangers onto the Maui Oilrigs last night from a Blackhawk. Gota love that autopilot with auto hover!

[creator2003]

yeah thats cool to see so many of you out there flying rotor ive just finsh flying the cera bell212 , from aerosoft luka up to base camp at the bottom of everest very cool flying running on 20% gas and 7 passenages base camp is at around 19.000
and i slew up to the top at 29.000 or there abouts i think i could make it up there but in different helo with less gas
i dont use auto pilot but that is only because i like to be in full controlof movement but you do gotta lov them fastropers aye
helicopters and simming gotta lov them if there is any helicopter addons payware or freeware that youd like an opinion on i do have most of them saving up for the THELZ S76
I do hope it is better than some of the others i have got from them
whirlybirds set from abacus hhhhhhhhhmmmmm i think the r44 from there is badly shaped model
and the sound packages are worst than default or are default but they have been out for a number of years so? they made up for it when the abacus havoc chopper set came out thanx for those choppers and there fire effects great models and a dream to control
lov to see anything helicopter and your storys also you will find a link to my helo movies in the video forums section enjoy

cheers mike

[Charl]

OK so here is a question for you:
If you had to keep only 3 choppers on your hard drive, what would they be?

[creator2003]

AS350 ba above freeware by fs painter
DODOSIM adv 206bell payware
swedbird R44 donation freeware
there are so many more but these are my top 3
if there was another top 3 and i know there isnt but
cerabell 212
alphasim lynx
bell 412 by jordon @ hovercontrol

how about yours?

[Charl]

1. The best all rounder in my flightsim folder would be Owen Hewitt's Bell 206, especially with all the sound packs, panel tweaks and paints available for it. I don't have the Dodosim version, but from what you say, it sounds tempting...

2. Eurocopter EC135 by Heiko Richter, for the absolutely amazing panel

3. Jordan Moore's stunning Bell 412

You're right you can't limit this to just three
Never forget Jordan's Skycrane - what an incredible experience to fly that thing from the loadmaster's seat!
And the Alphasim Seaking: you can just look at it, you don't need to fly it

[creator2003]

yup i would hav to admit the alphasim products are some of the best out there
including the fix wing aircraft
i have in my hanger from alpha lynx ,md500,merlin,westland sea king and another one of my favorites the westland wasp or scout freeware for 2002 compat but no rotor amnimation in fs2004 very sad but not sure on updating these models
it does say you can under copyright overhaul these aircraft but unsure as to how?
seeing it was a big part in our history of helos before the kaman seasprite what a dissater that was nice helos but not good at the night flying i here thus to be replace with tha nh90 very cool makes me what to join tha airforce ,lol
but to old now i think and to much to do in the deptartment of scenery helo style for nz one big lack off, it seems that aprt for robins great NZ auckland it has been forgotton here i see many of you going to hovercontrol and there sim networks to fly and that mostly over seas( vic canada )
where dont get me wrong i lov to see so many fs nz simmers and it a great place to start ofcourse but i never fly online anymore because there are no many if any helos lol flying nz online i mite be outta date but until this forum thanks to trolly and members it was very hard to find you all
im am keen to do the online thing again will later post a ez how to find you section
as not upto date with that side anymore a 24hr server for nz would be nice ive tryed fsin and vatsim but never did anything after the first flight was very dissapointed on how it was always fixwing
i think there is lots of room for both aircraft in tha same world and some of my helos fly at same speed as small fix wing
that would be cool air racing helo and fixwing proberly done before but in godzone ?
thanx for all your input in this forum posting it is really good to see that you all share a passion for rotor wing
mission this week is rotor my way up everest in as350 ba starting at base camp around 19.000 with i think 20% fuel 0 payload should make it heres hoping upto a massive 29.000 will ofcourse take photos as i hover at the top for acouple of minutes tryed to do it in the cera bell last night only got to base camp an was get heavy with altertude at base camp i could not even get of the ground with 50% fuel
it will be a slow climb and a very fast decent back to base camp to make it on that fuel
its going to be cold

[Charl]

Had a look at your NZ helo video which I enjoyed greatly.
You can get rid of text banners:
At flightsim.com file language.zip
It removes all the text displays so you get a clean video shot.

[creator2003]

yes i hav seen that in forums before but never got around to use it my bad but i use something called soreneon squezze to zip it and it also will crop but sometimes i dont care or i misses it in the croping my bad i like making them with a theme of helos and NZ if i can and are using many techs to make them with the least bit of jars i was watching some of my old ones today ,that i didnt release and i can only see the begin off a good thing made me want to make one tonight some of them take 45min, some that take 9hrs depends on what i make them in adobe prem or just windows movie maker id lov to see alot more videos of new zealand
its nice to see that we are right up there in the world of fs and the rest world alittle slow coming but we are going to be the no one place to fly one day im sure four seasons in one day how can you bet that
glad you enjoyed them hope i get one uploaded tonight featuring cera212 alpha merlin maybe in there with nz paint scheme upload from flight sim also many more ,
going to be trying to do more on mission base movie with ofcourse NZREAL SCENERY

[Bandit]

NZ Simmers certainly have a lot to thank Robin for!
I have his Tauranga/Rotorua package and am looking forward to the new Wgtn scenery when it's released. I hope to get some of his others in the future also.

I hope he does PNth (don't laugh) we have PNth Int'l, Foxpine, Taonui, RNZAF Ohakea plus the Ruahines and Tararuas nearby to play in.

I'm a bit limited when it come to Online flying as I'm still in the dark ages. (fairly low spec PC and a dial up connection)

I'd love to have some proper 3D landing platforms like the logging and fire fighting ones over in Canada. They would be great in Fiordland or some of our other Mountain Ranges. Unfortunately I haven't learnt to build addons yet.

Don't know if you guys have checked out the VERT site but NZ at least gets a mention so things are looking up.

For a bit of a challenge get one of the H300's with the spray kit attached and try and fly a proper spray track - straight and level. Then go to the "spot" view and pan around to check out your spray coverage trail. I have found the H300 very touchie to fly. Not a complaint - just challenging.

[ardypilot]

95% of the time I fly fixed wing, although NZ is a perfect country for exploring in egg-beaters and I like to fly the AS350 Squirrel around when I have the chance.

[creator2003]

yeah nice one trolly good chiose of helicopter the nemeth bros are at the leading edge of design and have some good payware models out there mil2 mil17etc but i think that as350 must be the most sort after of all times for download and the re paints that have come out for it
i hear they are making a Sikorsky S-76 Helicopter payware and that should go down well for the northland rescue chopper re paint cant wait but there are some models missing most important would to me a really good bk117

another tip ive picked up lately is if you hav a spring loaded joystick and you are wanting more feel with movement instead of fighting the spring is to get three cable ties and tie the spring together giving your joystick free movement , you now have no center but still a hold new experance to work on this makes it very sensitive but in the end alot more control with adv settings (top posting )

great to hear so many people out there flying rotor across new zealand it truly does open up a hole new level of flightsim experance
also bandit i agree with you there is so much more we can do around the place with extra helipads etc.. at the moment i can place ezscenery helipads objects around the place , no problem but everyone has those and until vert i mean Lt finney ground and co releases there other helipads addon for rwy12 and ezscenery we are just stuck with the old ones
cheers mike

[SUBS17]

I flew a chinook on OFP once, that was cool until I tipped it over after landing on a hill to drop troops off. Wound up chasing it down to the bottom of a valley.(my first Operation Flash Point chopper experience, glad it wasn't online otherwise SWMC would be issuing me a new callsign ) Next time I'll take some pictures.