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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:29 am

emfrat wrote:Well, just for curiousity, I clicked the Members button, then clicked on E, and clicked on emfrat, and it seems I have made something like 1500 posts ! :o

So then I looked for Ian's posts, and it showed 35529 of them, 1777 pages' worth, back to June 18, 2006. In the final entry I clicked on the topic (Rob Corn's Wanaka) and it brought up all 12 posts in that discussion.

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That is weird .. maybe that is where my missing posts have gone, into the trash and why are you Mike picking up different number since you only checked this this morning , that may explain why I cannot find these historical documents .
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby toprob » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:39 am

Just a few things which I've noticed lately -- I track clicks to my site, which is basically whenever someone clicks on a link on another site. NZFF always used to be the top of the list each month, but these days Facebook performs 1000% better for me. I know that Facebook has a bad rep with some, and I can certainly see why if you gauged it by what was in the media, but really all it needs is a bit of planning, and it can be very useful. If you see something interesting, you can share it, comment on it, or just show your support by 'liking' it.

You do need to monitor what is posted on your feed, but you soon learn who posts all the rubbish posts, and you can turn them off quite easily. I read a lot less 'rubbish' posts on Facebook than I do here at NZFF...

A forum is still a great way to keep track of the huge amount of knowledge which people pick up over time. However for that to work, the 'search' function needs to work, otherwise nobody will know where the good stuff is. These days a lot of people actually use a search engine like Google or Bing to browse the web -- I get about 8 times the visitors from search results, rather than links. This just goes to show that the web is always developing, and the new capabilities have surpassed the ability to match those capabilities here at NZFF.

I've said before that maybe we don't need a 'forum' as such, but a more general content management system, like Wordpress, which can cater for most needs, including a forum.... but imagine a 'home' page with current news, posts, screenshot gallery, all linked to social media sites, so that the right post can reach thousands on Facebook within hours. I don't mean like some of the existing fs news sites, which tend to grow like topsy, with not a lot of planning, and end up looking like a dog's breakfast.
Moving away from the restrictions of a forum, we could have 10 or 20 regulars with blogs, so that visitors can pick and choose their topics of interest, rather than have to wade through everything.

Michael makes some good points about the current state of NZ simming, this is broader than NZFF. I do think that there is still a place for all aspects of simming here, but things have changed a lot over the last decade, including the rise of payware, which was previously seen as a very negative direction, but has turned out to be the saviour of flightsim in some respects, and the fall of the desktop PC, which has kind of left our simulator high and dry.

I grizzle a lot about Orbx, but they have done a great job to give the whole scene a kick in the pants. But they can't be seen as the only kick we need, and it is up to simmers to strive for something new and different. That's one thing which the forum doesn't do well, as communities tend to be quite slow to accept change, especially when the membership is a little older than average...

Lately I've been trying to raise some funds to get back into full-time development, and one thing which is apparent is that there are a lot of people out there who want to develop something, mainly I get to hear about scenery, but there are a lot of other directions to take. The fact that they don't always follow through is partly down to the lack of support from the community, and partly, I know, down to people like me, who could help a lot more, but I have had my own issues to deal with, so I don't have a lot to give at the moment. 2015 was meant to be my year of collaboration, but for this to work I need to able to at least pay my power bill each month, which is my current worry...

But, I do know that it wouldn't take much to revitalise the whole NZ flightsim scene, and there is a lot happening behind the scenes, and I'm very much aware that for me it would mean some sort of break-through to get the ball rolling. This will happen, just never soon enough. And once things do get rolling, it may be that NZFF is no longer the appropriate place to go to get the news out, or to manage things, simply because we have been left behind. In the meantime, I'd like to see less talk about what is wrong with the web these days, and more talk about how we can take advantage of the the way that things like social media have developed, and what people expect to get from a website.

Now, I'm looking at 2016 to get stuck into some collaborative projects, but I'm not longer so confident that it'll happen. I am determined to keep plugging away, but I've very much aware that as each month goes by, I haven't made any real progress to get over the 'bump' which set me back to zero. So if you have any ideas about anything, let me know, either here or via my site, or even via Facebook...
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby emfrat » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:50 am

Ian Warren wrote:That is weird .. maybe that is where my missing posts have gone, into the trash and why are you Mike picking up different number since you only checked this this morning , that may explain why I cannot find these historical documents .


IIRC, Dan warned us that while old forum posts would be preserved, it would not be possible to preserve old PMs, unless the member copied/saved them manually before the changeover started...
Would you have clocked up 524 PMs ?

EDIT @ 0855: I am now seeing 36054 for Ian...all I can think that as an Admin, he can see posts I can't, but for 500-odd to suddenly surface seems a bit OTT :rolleyes:
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:07 am

Any thing today, your business mine you/me have to self promote, a website every one has and desktop PCs will be here for ever .. well next 20 years at least and the things will be different .. you cannot find everything on GOOGLE or APP's .. 'Twitter' or in your 'Facebook' , a true book dose not loose information , or people who want to come around to read them ... this seems to happen , loosing People and Primary information on the internet .. now that is what I am point to .
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:13 am

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Ian Warren wrote:That is weird .. maybe that is where my missing posts have gone, into the trash and why are you Mike picking up different number since you only checked this this morning , that may explain why I cannot find these historical documents .


IIRC, Dan warned us that while old forum posts would be preserved, it would not be possible to preserve old PMs, unless the member copied/saved them manually before the changeover started...
Would you have clocked up 524 PMs ?

EDIT @ 0855: I am now seeing 36054 for Ian...all I can think that as an Admin, he can see posts I can't, but for 500-odd to suddenly surface seems a bit OTT :rolleyes:


Was not a personal message, it was a posting 'OPERATION DEEP FREEZE' , this is one area and history I grew up with and Ken Walls was happy for me to post here , the thing was had some information and photo's and a link , that has now been deleted .... was not a PM , it was a posting and was still active beginning of 2014.
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Sonnyj » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:29 am

Given that there are few participants in the overall local community, and that is not to say there aren't quite a few simmers here in NZ, but?, why not consider aligning with the most popular flightsim http://www.sites including flightsim, avsim,IVAO, VATSIM etc.etc. - get more people looking in on this country of ours..like with the screenshot competition but insist on New Zealand only as the theme and NZFF FREE membership being a prerequisite to enter. If we have more exposure to the world wide flightsim community, and they find out what a nice bunch we are with a well run site surely this will benefit local New Zealand scenery makers etc etc and be more acceptable to sponsors. Not to mention a potential increase in membership and all the benefits that entails. maybe also run competitions for missions, tours, and the like.
just a thought. :D
Oh, don't worry, it is just me rambling on. >nzflag< Opps may have to change that flag...
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:54 am

Sonnyj wrote:Oh, don't worry, it is just me rambling on. >nzflag< Opps may have to change that flag...

Les .. :D ... Opps the ramblings should go to JK because the above :rolleyes: ... may have to change
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby toprob » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:02 pm

Ian Warren wrote:Any thing today, your business mine you/me have to self promote, a website every one has and desktop PCs will be here for ever .. well next 20 years at least and the things will be different .. you cannot find everything on GOOGLE or APP's .. 'Twitter' or in your 'Facebook' , a true book dose not loose information , or people who want to come around to read them ... this seems to happen , loosing People and Primary information on the internet .. now that is what I am point to .


Well, that's partly the point I was trying to make -- just saying these things doesn't make them true, though. Desktop PC sales declined by 14% in 2013, and have steadily declined since -- this isn't going to get better, but it is the follow-on things which affect us -- software, hardware etc. Sure, we might see another general, high quality flight simulator in the next few years, but then again we might not...

And I will also point out that searching NZFF via Google (operation deep freeze site:nzff.org) returns a lot more results than using the NZFF search function.

I've been working flat-out today, but I do track this discussion by getting unobtrusive little pop-ups in the corner of my screen, via Tapatalk, so I can quickly see what's happening, and decide whether to click through. Tapatalk is a very useful app. What it does, it does very well. That's one of the reasons why I love apps, but in general I need to try them to figure out if they are useful or not. Most are not, the ones that are can revolutionise how I process information on the web.

By the way, one way to judge the demise of the PC is to compare it with the decline of the book -- it'll follow the same pattern, I think, and I don't think that anyone would disagree that books are 90% dead now.
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:41 pm

toprob wrote:By the way, one way to judge the demise of the PC is to compare it with the decline of the book -- it'll follow the same pattern, I think, and I don't think that anyone would disagree that books are 90% dead now.

Honestly there is nothing like sitting out on the deck with a series off books doing research , every little scrap off written material is as valuable as gold trouble is many don't see it or understand what they read .. the worst they consider GOOGLE the final word .. even today .. you have to go searching, apps/search engines are only as good as the information you put into them .
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby dbcunnz » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:21 pm

The biggest problem that I see is that it is only the older generation that actually still have PCs all the younger generation have I Pads, Androids, Tablets or smartphones and don't know what flight sim is there are to many other games that are made for those devices and flight sim just wont work on those devices.
Not only the PC but also the laptops are on the decline why get a PC or Laptop when you can get a device that will do almost the same but will fit in your pocket and can be used from the palm of your hand.
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby toprob » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:56 pm

Yes, I think that PCs are going through a transition at the moment, and we'll see devices (which could be anything) become PCs just by putting them in some sort of dock (physical or virtual). Windows 10 can do this, and with Win 10 Mobile we already see phones acting as PCs. So all we need is something powerful enough to take the place of a PC, and it certainly won't be long until we have them.

This could be an interesting development, imagine a docking station which includes a yoke and throttle, just stick your phone/tablet/whatever in the slot, and have an instant sim.
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:10 pm

dbcunnz wrote:The biggest problem that I see is that it is only the older generation that actually still have PCs all the younger generation have I Pads, Androids, Tablets or smartphones and don't know what flight sim is there are to many other games that are made for those devices and flight sim just wont work on those devices.
Not only the PC but also the laptops are on the decline why get a PC or Laptop when you can get a device that will do almost the same but will fit in your pocket and can be used from the palm of your hand.

Flight simulation cannot be transferred to the above devices .. or would be usable , the cry 8/9 years back was for the bigger monitor , then the more power .. all these IPads, Androids, Tablets or smartphones have there uses .. in an industrial workplace ! NO .. seen many accidents and stupidity due to the easy access and usage .. they should not go onto worksite , ... the thing is most still use home desktop PCs and really to say that is going out off fashion ..... speak to the people who design and build Flight Simulators .... IT ALL REQUIRES YOUR DESKTOP PC ! ...
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:20 pm

toprob wrote:Yes, I think that PCs are going through a transition at the moment, and we'll see devices (which could be anything) become PCs just by putting them in some sort of dock (physical or virtual). Windows 10 can do this, and with Win 10 Mobile we already see phones acting as PCs. So all we need is something powerful enough to take the place of a PC, and it certainly won't be long until we have them.

This could be an interesting development, imagine a docking station which includes a yoke and throttle, just stick your phone/tablet/whatever in the slot, and have an instant sim.

Twenty years down the track , I cannot one sitting down on his ipod/tablet do dacky which may have a screen size dating back an putting a car seriously in reveres back to the past .. tho I see these virtual googles but again some can be a little lost when they are with all there virtual hardware and can't use it because they cannot see it .... boy that's a bummer :blink:
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby deeknow » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:08 pm

Worthy discussion Ian, thanks for kicking it off. I reckon the 30 odd posts so far have covered all the likely influences but here's my $0.02 anyway.

For me personally its just that forums aren't the one stop shop they used to be and my attention is spread much further these days across other social media platforms. There simply isn't the time of day to read, follow, respond to posts.

Another thing, and this is just me, I personally don't have a great interest in war machines and the content at NZFF seems to have swung a little more in that direction over the last year or two. Not saying it's bad, it's just that I have other communities where I spend more time on GA and commercial aspects of simming.

There are two things I love about NZFF. The general banter from the regulars (that's what community is all about IMHO) and the focus on local scenery and the awesome contributions by the various scenery developers. It's important that we support that and explore avenues for encouraging it (e.g. the blog suggestion by Rob - although wasn't tried a few years ago?)

Regarding the "lost posts" Ian, I've never heard this discussed with the admin team as a policy and I'm sure I would have, I think its more likely the search engine just isn't tweaked or configured to return the results your looking for. If you could send me a few examples (like the one you IMd me the other day) of posts and dates and likely text content to be found I'll locate them in the database and work out why they're not appearing for you.

Oh and as for the dead-user cull, like it or not its done, and I don't think that will have made an iota of difference. If someone hasn't been to the site for two years they're not likely to return, and if they do they can always sign up again. It's not difficult.
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby emfrat » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:43 pm

My regular round, depending on timezones, is CalClassic, CBFS, Britsim, VFF, Flightsim, Avsim, SOH, NZFF.
Like Dean, I am not specially interested in the bangbang shoot-'em-up stuff, but I do enjoy trying to do tricky stuff in the simulator - landing on carriers and so on. The forums I visit keep me in touch with what's new, and more importantly, provide a great pool of knowledge to which I can sometimes contribute - with all my experience, I am able to create stuff-ups that newbies can barely dream about :rolleyes:
However, since about 2004, when the Toys-for-Ghanpa Fund was very healthy and I got lots of nice toys, things have changed. For a start, in them days there was only the one sim, and a number of arcade-type games which could be used within it. There are now a lot more simulator softwares, each calling for specialised knowledge, and it will take time for the new ones to build the sort of knowledge base that our forum can provide for FS9 and FSX.
I just can't afford the hardware and software needed to learn the tricks and traps in the newer sims, but those sims have their own forums and people who have moved away from MSFS naturally take less part in forums like NZFF.
The Screenshot Comp has kept up with this trend, being now open to P3D and suchlike, the main requirement being that an entry should be principally a screenshot from NZ territory in any sim, with some minor adjustments allowed.

I think it would be worthwhile posting at least a link to each month's winning banner, as that would promote NZFF and NZ sim products to a wider audience.
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:22 pm

deeknow wrote:Another thing, and this is just me, I personally don't have a great interest in war machines and the content at NZFF seems to have swung a little more in that direction over the last year or two. Not saying it's bad, it's just that I have other communities where I spend more time on GA and commercial aspects of simming.

Just a side track YEAH! .. "I personally don't have a great interest in war machines" I don't think most who do in Flight Simulation don't want the shooting .. ITs the getting to fly the types .... more the airshow logic .. .. COMBAT that's is what combat simulations are for but to get to the Civil Warbird circuit , least you have the opportunity to learn the history or feel and put into place what may read , It dose get very interesting when when comparing the types in a MP situation .
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Fozzer » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:32 pm

I have to admit, that all of my flight simming over the years, since Flight Unlimited II, Pro Pilot '99, etc, has always involved General Aviation aeroplanes, the sort of craft that many flying enthusiasts could actually purchase or share with others!

This often on involves my Sim Cessna 150/152 and various Microlights. The sort of craft that can often be seen having gentle fun in the air!

I leave shooting and bombing stuff to my CFS2... :wink2: ...!

...and Commercial Passenger Jets are far too complicated with fiddly bits for my tiny brain to comprehend!... :unsure: ...!

Regarding the Rules for Screen-shots....>>>>

..I am out on a limb here.... :blink: ..... as most of my daily sim flights occur over the glorious mountain and desert scenery of the West Coast and Mid States USA...(Route 66, etc!).
...and only NZ scenery is allowed on the Site... :( ...!

So, there you go Chums....my four-Pennyworth!

(I hate it when some folks refer to our "Penny" coin as; "Pee"

Paul....Pounds Shillings and Pence, and Feet and Inches, Fahrenheit, Miles, Queen Victoria, etc... :D ...!

..although I have been a Member of Flightsim and Avsim since the year dot, I actually spend all of my time daily oscillating between NZ and Simviation with my observations and Posts!....Nice Folks in both places!.... :D ...!
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby deeknow » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:13 pm

Hey, one thing we have thrown about occasionally over the years is meet-ups. They're a great way to galvanise relationships. Could be a thing we get running and commit to one every year at least, different major-ish airport, mix in a social thing with an airport and local aviation industry/highlights tour?
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:46 pm

deeknow wrote:Hey, one thing we have thrown about occasionally over the years is meet-ups. They're a great way to galvanise relationships. Could be a thing we get running and commit to one every year at least, different major-ish airport, mix in a social thing with an airport and local aviation industry/highlights tour?

This is one department I can handle , I've always invited peoples here and let em stop .. at least Christchurch would be an easy meeting .. my place could only handle one maybe two guests for over nighters .. But my brothers place could handle heaps, farmland tho .. out at West Melton .. BBQ on a spit , least BBQ meal , and ... well sure .. we will figure something out .. tell ya one thing the parties and night's I've enjoyed out there B-) ...
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Re: WELL SINCE ITS SO BORING HERE !

Postby Fozzer » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:15 pm

..talking about meet-ups... :wink2: ...

..IAN!

..I'm still waiting for you to locate and post the wonderful photographs of you, Marty, and the rest of the Lads sat round an outside Bench, clutching glasses of Beer, and smiling at the camera, at a local airfield!

It was nice to see all your faces, to recognise you all!

Paul... :D ...!
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