This is interesting

[Ian Warren]

Well since we are on a roll , The reply i finally got back from Simviation

----- Original Message Follows -----
> On 25/03/2013 05:22, Ian Warren wrote:
> > Simviation Admins
> >
> > It is almost 24 hours I have not heard or received a
> > reply to the question of my work i have done that has
> > been stolen and used by the Thatchers .
> >
> > The list of work i have done for New Zealand is marked
> > by well over a decade covering freeware and paywares
> > across the entire country .
> > http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15983 follow
> > this link , this is dated almost two years back ,
> >
> > Would you please contact me or reply with removing any
> > file that has my name and file related to these
> scenery's >
> > Regards , Ian
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> -------- >
> > Hi all Simviation admin
> >
> > I have the need to get a file removed , this being the
> > Christchurch photo-real and now is a version 2 released
> > by Tracey and Ian Thatcher , all items in this file has
> > been stolen from other people this includes everything
> > in the file the AGNs done by myself and Heath Wells
> > dated as far back as 2002 taken from the Godzone payware
> > scenery and updates to which i was affiliated with .
> >
> > All these file were randomly place leaving one hell of a
> > mess and putting my name to it , I did not appreciate
> > that after the many years and thousands of hours
> > creating scenery
> >
> > These people now appear to get there kicks stealing
> > other works and seem to be getting more open about it
> > and using so many alias's now found out by a friend in
> > the UK tracking them down due to stolen moneys even the
> > name Ian Thatcher did not exist .
> >
> > It appears most other flightsim sites have caught on to
> > what they are doing and ousted any thing related to
> > these two people and files delete , they continue to
> > harrassment and threaten people and for what motive I
> don’t no , >
> > All I want is this file remove as I have and want
> > nothing to do with these people or any file connected to
> them . >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ian Warren
> > ianwarren@clear.net.nz
> > http://www.nzff.org
> > Ph 03 9605072
> > Flat 1/17 Brake Street
> > Christchurch 8041
> > New Zealand
> HI
>
> I've been assured by John Haines that the relevant AGN
> files are his original coyright and used by you without
> permission.
>
> The 2 sides stacked up -- I'm afraid your case pales
> compared to the Haines/Thatcher/Dumas case.
>
> The particular file in question is staying.
>
> regards
>
> Pete
> Simviation


Pete ,

If all this is all true how come my name has and still is
connected with the file and have i create regular updates ..
Its not rocket science .. CHECK screen shot dates

The Thatchers have really twisted the truth and obviously
you have no idea , I will post your reply here - this
across the the NZFF forums , the thatchers live in
Australia little a little island on its bottom in fact ,
all the names involved i've personal met and worked with
them , you may want to double check your facts .

BEST You review your facts , I dou't if the Thatchers , one
called James Harris has really done any work scenery work
without stealing it .

Ill get Norm , Lawrence , John live around CHCH and get him
on the phone - able to get most of the original people to
vouch for my work

I final thing , I bet you cannot get a honest address to the
the Thatchers ! I was more than happy to give you mine .

[Ian Warren]

Further post by Pete at Simviation
This whole thing is ridiculously petty minded. I do have the Thatcher
home address already (+ I have been communicating with Ian since I can
remember - before 2002). I'm afraid all your arguments support what I
have already been told by Haines and Thatcher.

I have nothing to hide with my emails however I would remind you that
publically posting private emails without permission is a legal offence
in most countries -- I presume NZ may also be the same. This also
supports the notion that you are acting underhanded and without foundation.

Like I say - the file is staying - and publishing private emails without
permission shows you up as someone prepared to act outside the law.


Pete

[Ian Warren]

And the saga go's on the reply
> > Ian
> By acting illegally you dig your own grave. You're
> fighting the wrong guy Ian.

My reply
Bring it on ... my name is IanDotcom .. remove the file or the ANG contents and you won't see my name at Simviation again .. Best you check your own facts again and to keep everyone in the loop this reply will be posting this again !
IanDotCom

[dbcunnz]

One more victory in the thatcher saga the file has now been removed from http://www.fs-freeware.net/item/613-fsx-ph...rch-new-zealand
So lets hope it stays that way.

[Ian Warren]

Good to see people now looking and scratching , few days back a thread like this was not allowed , fact is we maybe any down handed attacks should opened rather the THREADS get deleted leaving myself in the lurch and no one to back me up .. I honestly believe people need to no truth .. Time to stand up !

[Mynameisnemo]

Compared to the "pirated" files, I can easily tell which group has put more than a lot of hard work into bringing Christchurch to life in FSX, and that is definitely the members of this forum!

Question for the Mods/Admin's, is there a way to restrict the download of any files posted i.e the AGN's until a specific post count has been made? would stop people who have just registered to download the files and upload them to the other sites?

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (Mynameisnemo @ Mar 26 2013,2:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Compared to the "pirated" files, I can easily tell which group has put more than a lot of hard work into bringing Christchurch to life in FSX, and that is definitely the members of this forum!

Question for the Mods/Admin's, is there a way to restrict the download of any files posted i.e the AGN's until a specific post count has been made? would stop people who have just registered to download the files and upload them to the other sites?

I am going to look into seeing if we can restrict the downloading of attachment on members files to only be available to members who are logged in the problem now is that anyone can get the attachments om a post whether they are logged in or not so any guest whether they are a member or not can just look at the posts on the forum and if they see an attachment they can just help themselves to it
another way which I have suggested to Ian was to not place the attachment in his post but to ask them to send a PM and we can send the files through the file transfer system which then restricts then so we know who is getting them

[creator2003]

Have you tryed the real Dotcom site for this file share www.mega.co.nz ,the encryption keys may help limit the people you want while still able to give to those asking etc ..

[Ian Warren]

The file "Christchurch X " photo-real has finally been taken off the Simviation site this morning and hopefully this would be the last we here from Ian and Tracey Thatcher , Thanks Doug and for the support and Thank you Peter at Simviation .

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (creator2003 @ Mar 26 2013,10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Have you tryed the real Dotcom site for this file share www.mega.co.nz ,the encryption keys may help limit the people you want while still able to give to those asking etc ..

Dotcom .. IanDotcom sounds better , you should not have to do that although not a bad idea ... end of the day the whole picture is you don't steal other peoples work ... and then post it as there own !

Nice thing , this is the first time since the since these people started this four years back that finally the thread stayed open for all to see and learn the truth ! and sweep it under the carpet so ... Thanks Rob and Paul for keeping this thread alive and as a timely warning .

[dbcunnz]

What a battle didn't get to bed until almost 5 am this morning but it appears that I finally convinced Pete that Tracey was pulling the wool over his eyes and for him to do a check and just verify that the John Haines he was corresponding with was in fact the real John Haines or a one James Harris using John's name as an alias
But yes it was a great feeling to finally climb out of bed at midday and see that Pete had removed the file and yes after I had warned him that by removing it he was opening himself up to a barrage of very abusive emails but at least they would show her up for what she really is.
So dear God lets hope this is the last we see of hear of the Thatchers

PS last month when her file was taken off (because she had two of my files in it) the four sites she had uploaded to I received 9 yes 9 abusive emails from her in 1 hour so I just hope that Pete is not in for the same.

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Mar 26 2013,4:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What a battle didn't get to bed until almost 5 am this morning but it appears that I finally convinced Pete that Tracey was pulling the wool over his eyes and for him to do a check and just verify that the John Haines he was corresponding with was in fact the real John Haines or a one James Harris using John's name as an alias
But yes it was a great feeling to finally climb out of bed at midday and see that Pete had removed the file and yes after I had warned him that by removing it he was opening himself up to a barrage of very abusive emails but at least they would show her up for what she really is.
So dear God lets hope this is the last we see of hear of the Thatchers

PS last month when her file was taken off (because she had two of my files in it) the four sites she had uploaded to I received 9 yes 9 abusive emails from her in 1 hour so I just hope that Pete is not in for the same.

If "she" is indeed a she .... sounds to me like a whole bunch of uninspired sicko's hell bent on stirring things up for their own odd gratification ..... maybe some link to Snowmans troubles as well (my opinion) ...who would know.
I understand fully why you guys did what you did ...i do admire principles, and your efforts very much , but I got a little nervous (i have to be honest) about the potential for one of these people , or their cronies to damage (or worse) the (our) forum as some form of retaliation.

As you say Doug "So dear God lets hope this is the last we see of hear of the Thatchers "

Anyway, that's my 10 cents worth...... carry on

[AdrianPetford]

Having had direct dealings with all three (four?) people involved in this dispute, I know which two I trust and support and which one (two?) I don't. That's based entirely on my personal experience of them as well as knowing the full details of this long running saga, much of which is not in the public domain. I'm always wary of anyone who hides behind fake identities.

As a tester for the Christchurch scenery, I can confirm it's as different to the older scenery as chalk and cheese. New high resolution photoreal, new blending, better alignment and Ian, Doug and Greg have done a superb job with the autogen which is being gradually redone from scratch. I agree that the new files should be restricted in some way (maybe obtainable by PM or using something like Google Drive or Dropbox?) until the project is finished. When it is finished, it should be released with a big fanfare making it clear it's an entirely new project from a different design team.

Last I heard, as of 2007 John Haines was recovering from open heart surgery and was rarely involved with the sim community after that. John always came over as hugely supportive of freeware designers and would go out of his way to help anyone with a problem, however minor. When he faced his surgery, there was a massive outpouring of support from others on the Kiwiflightsim mailing list. I leave you to draw your own conclusions from that.


Ade

[Ian Warren]

Truth is Adrian , I don't no why or how these people have survived across the International forums for so long , appears we have finally got in there without backing down to treats were as Admins across the board did not want to know , many peoples have been stung even financially loosing moneys to the cons and nothing was done about it , they duped me many years back and when i caught on warning signs were posted .. BUT most all posts removed since admins wanted no conflict .. I have met almost all people caught except a few who scoured and hid away, least my name is who i am .. I'm told i'm reckless in postings but seems Ian Warren has had enough and maybe i'm the catalyst to final make things open and honest ! .... we are always going to get people like these but these two without a doubt are the worst .

[dbcunnz]

It appears that Simviation has now taken down this post from their forum which was posted by Ian on the first post of this thread
http://forums.simviation.com/phpBB3/viewto...49&t=165544

[Ian Warren]

On re reading this entire thread again it appears people are interested and want to protect all NZ developers , the more people see the entirety of what these people do , the better it protects anybody and everyone else , shut a thread like this down is the wrong way to walk out and don't want to face the music and further allow people to get away with it - IF NOT means you simply hand it back to people who have a history corrupting and stealing and continue .

Over the last 48 hours I have had more people who now have come out of the woodwork and back me up and all the NZFF members involved because it is left open and finally get results to something that has been poison for many years , 'Childish' is one world mentioned .. frankly its the word that created the problem ! put a blanket over your head and pretend all of this will go away !

Old saying "END OF THE DAY" .... This is New Zealand , we may be the first to have stood up to these thugs and thieves , not to mention lyers , Clean Green NZ YEAH RIGHT .. lets Keep it Clean Honest NZ !

[toprob]

'Childish' might not be as accurate as 'child-like', or naive.
Naive in expecting that this would finally 'win' this ongoing feud, and put an end to the Thatchers for ever.
Naive in thinking that you could continue posting regarding this matter even when asked not to do so.
Naive in thinking that it was ok to call the admin cowards, amongst other things, without any regard for the rules, without consequences.

Ian and Doug have been suspended for a month.

[deaneb]

Rob - that is the silliest thing I've seen on this board to date. I back Ian and Doug 100% in all they have done to preserve the integrity of this site and FS in general in NZ.

[Adrian Brausch]

I too back Ian and Doug , after everything they both do , have done and continue to do tirelessly for our Flightsimming community as well as NZFF suspending them is nothing short of insulting. Are you sitting on the fence happily ignoring everything thinking that it will all just go away...which it won't not without our people standing up . Utterly ridiculous Rob.

[Splitpin]

Well .... what a day. Yesterday i was concerned about the thatcher gang bringing this forum down, and in way i guess the idiots have ...but from the inside.
Seems to me that this course of action can only have one result ....

Just feel sorry for the screenshot entrants , and i hate to think what past and future sponsers will think as well .
Ive stood back a bit from this , but now im not sure.
I support the boys as well , i can understand the reasoning on both sides , but its sad when both sides are within the forum.

Bottom line for me is simple ...those people stole something from Ian and Doug , and they stood up to them. I cant see how suspending them will do anything other than say "help yourself" to what ever you want .

Ive always considered this forum my "Turangawaewae" a place to stand ....not sure now.