This is interesting

[Ian Warren]

http://forums.simviation.com/phpBB3/viewto...49&t=165544 ...

[toprob]

Interesting? Not at all. Only if you find grown-ups acting like babies interesting. And even if you do, don't bring it here.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (toprob @ Mar 24 2013,9:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Only if you find grown-ups acting like babies interesting.

Frankly if that is the way people you look at it .. If the NZFF admin had done something about it they would have the members in there backing the work ... FACT IS THESE people as nasty as they are need to be shut down .

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (toprob @ Mar 24 2013,9:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Interesting? Not at all. Only if you find grown-ups acting like babies interesting. And even if you do, don't bring it here.

Acting like babies are we at least I have the guts to stand up and fight for what rightly belongs to some of our members

[toprob]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Mar 24 2013,10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If the NZFF admin had done something about it they would have the members in there backing the work ..

The only reasonable reaction is 'don't feed the trolls.' For goodness sake, that's the first thing which most people learn on the internet.

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (toprob @ Mar 24 2013,10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The only reasonable reaction is 'don't feed the trolls.' For goodness sake, that's the first thing which most people learn on the internet.

We don't need to feed the troll she is just helping herself to all our stuff what I am trying to do is stop her feeding herself

[toprob]

Sure, Doug, you can do what you want, just keep it away from NZFF. There's a perfectly good discussion going on over at Simviation, no need to bring it here.

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (toprob @ Mar 24 2013,10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sure, Doug, you can do what you want, just keep it away from NZFF. There's a perfectly good discussion going on over at Simviation, no need to bring it here.

Just because you don't want it here doesn't mean that our members don't
Maybe it should be put to our members whether they would like more of this sort of discussion on NZFF

[deeknow]

QUOTE (toprob @ Mar 24 2013,10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sure, Doug, you can do what you want, just keep it away from NZFF. There's a perfectly good discussion going on over at Simviation, no need to bring it here.

Actually Robin I think Doug and Ian should feel totally entitled to air their concerns here, and I for one am totally appalled at your lack of solidarity or support for them over this issue.
This is a "community" site, if the community want to discuss it then that's what should happen. I would also be interested as Doug suggests, to hear what others think.

I don't know the Thatchers (living or deceased) and to be honest I wouldn't even recognise Doug or IanW if I were to pass them in the street, but from years of activity here at nzff and witnessing their contributions, and attitude, I personally have no doubt that what their up against is exactly as described by them.

update - What does concern me a little is that given Tracey is no longer (was she ever) a member here, is that the conversation is going to be very much one sided. However, anyone who wants to get a "balanced" view can head on over to Simviation.

[toprob]

We've been through all that a number of times, over the last few years, since these people first showed up. There's only one reason why they are still around, they've found someone to dance when they pull the strings. Stop dancing and they'll have nothing to jerk on. Every time a post is made somewhere in the world which mentions these people, they have their reward. Do you think I'm wrong here? Do you want to put this to the test? My guess is that NZFF would be dead before next summer.

But sure, if you want to ask the members, go ahead. It would be interesting to see how you phrase the question.

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (deeknow @ Mar 24 2013,10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Actually Robin I think Doug and Ian should feel totally entitled to air their concerns here, and I for one am totally appalled at your lack of solidarity or support for them over this issue.
This is a "community" site, if the community want to discuss it then that's what should happen. I would also be interested as Doug suggests, to hear what others think.

I don't know the Thatchers (living or deceased) and to be honest I wouldn't even recognise Doug or IanW if I were to pass them in the street, but from years of activity here at nzff and witnessing their contributions, and attitude, I personally have no doubt that what their up against is exactly as described by them.

update - What does concern me a little is that given Tracey is no longer (was she ever) a member here, is that the conversation is going to be very much one sided. However, anyone who wants to get a "balanced" view can head on over to Simviation.

Thank you Dean it is pleasing at last to see that someone else can see the battle that we are going through to try and keep our software from being ripped off.

[Ian Warren]

Thanks Dean for the support , old saying "end of the Day " ..

..... had something been done five/six years back when the "Thatchers" first appeared they danced to the music , suckered one to the table for slaughter , pulled the 'snow" over his eyes and it has never stopped .. appears they got board over the last month and have re-appeared with all sorts off allegations .

QUOTE (toprob @ Mar 24 2013,10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

We've been through all that a number of times, over the last few years, since these people first showed up.

Had it been opened to the public and the Forum those many years back , this would not be happening now .

[Naki]

No wonder I don't feel the desire to do any more flight simming or can't be involved in admin work any more with this s**t happening again.

Last time this blew up they just about succeeded in taking this site and Robins site down and wrecking NZ simming. If you wish to bring the fight here I suggest you guys tread very carefully as you are dealing with someone with....I won't mention it here on a public forum.

Think carefully whether its worth the scrap...

I have better things to do with my time....then dealing with trolls

Good luck!

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Naki @ Mar 24 2013,11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If you wish to bring the fight here I suggest you guys tread very carefully as you are dealing with someone with....I won't mention it here on a public forum.

If have done more than most , covering all the autogen work across every region , built airports , I don't need to make a list , the freeware and the payware at no cost to Robin and many other scenery ... I now do a freeware and build on a stolen item because they put my name to it , the photo is stolen the AGN is stolen - autogenning i can go back to 2001/2 .. a scenery file um .. hang-on , this would have die away had the Admin's sorted the "Thatchers" and there grubby bloody fingers in stealing others work or swaying certain people to follow blindly ... NOW HERE I AM STILL DOING THE VERY SAME THING AND THE 'THATCHER' RETURNS ..... peoples the dipstick never existed ! .

[Naki]

Yes I appreciate all the work you have done and i have used it over the years and the situation is unfortunate.... but as I said I have very little time for this (I have 3 young kids to deal with, both of us work and im moving in a week etc etc) and in fact I don't even have flight sim installed any more....

Robin (more so Robin) and I and some others spent ages trying to diffuse the situation last time (and many other times) and nobody seems to appreciate that...I am not sure what you want us to do as admins to make it go away as the fight is over at simaviation not here and we can't add anymore than what Doug has said. That comment about us not doing anything really gets up my nose considering the amount cr@p we had to deal with in the past.

Have fun with your childish games....and with that I will make this my last post here as it is time to move on .. (Maybe the flightsimming urge will come back and hopefully it will be one big happy family again)

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (Naki @ Mar 24 2013,11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No wonder I don't feel the desire to do any more flight simming or can't be involved in admin work any more with this s**t happening again.

Last time this blew up they just about succeeded in taking this site and Robins site down and wrecking NZ simming. If you wish to bring the fight here I suggest you guys tread very carefully as you are dealing with someone with....I won't mention it here on a public forum.

Think carefully whether its worth the scrap...

I have better things to do with my time....then dealing with trolls

Good luck!

OK Paul now for my say this person has now been barred from Avsim also from Flightsim.com and now she is venting her anger at us again now if she hadn't stolen other peoples files this wouldn't of happened but if you think that I am going to sit down and let a troll like her steal my work without putting up a fight for my rights then I don't' know where you are coming from
After having her file taken down from four sites last month two of which have now banned her from their site altogether and will no longer communicate with her I places some ORBX agn in amongst our agn and she fell for the trap and now is going to pay the price as we can prove that the agn is ours that she has added to her latest Christchurch scenery that no one but simviation would let her upload.
So now she has been caught red handed and is trying to squirm her way out of it.
Simviation has been asked to remove the file of hers and I am hoping that when the Admin gets back to work after the weekend that it will be removed.
end of story

[dbcunnz]

Just checked Simviation site and it appears that her file has been removed so ones again I presume that I will be flooded with emails thank god I have a program that i can intercept the emails before downloading then and bounce them back to the sender

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Mar 25 2013,12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just checked Simviation site and it appears that her file has been removed so ones again I presume that I will be flooded with emails thank god I have a program that i can intercept the emails before downloading then and bounce them back to the sender

Bugger now I find it hasn't been taken down or has been uploaded again

[Ian Warren]

I have check this morning , many files are gone , they have only posted in the last couple days a large portion of them and finding now all the alias's are becoming brothers in law and extended family .. had it been let known earlier and not having names brushed under the carpet for so bloody long for people to forget it sat there festering .

... all was fine and dandy till responsible admins at Flightsim.com and Avsim did something or confirmed what they have got up to a couple days back ... had there been a concerted effort directly when these people started this entire debacle it would have gone long ago .

[dbcunnz]

And now it has been uploaded to another site
http://www.fs-freeware.net/item/613-fsx-ph...rch-new-zealand

Just to give you some idea of what we are up against ans what has been stolen here is 4 links to the actual AGN now you tell me if this hasn't been stolen

This is the agn that I have done myself you will notice that the blue buildings are ORBX agn that I have placed
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/44360586/1-Our%20new%20AGN.jpg

This is from the Thatcher uploaded Christchurch file can you see the difference in her agn that she denies was pirated and has John Haines permission to use it.
It is also very noticeable that the AGN does not go to the top of her photo
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/44360586/2-Tha ... %20AGN.jpg

This is my agn of Leithfield Beach once again the blue buildings are ORBX agn
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/44360586/3-Lei ... %20AGN.jpg

Now can you see the difference in Tracey's agn of the same area
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/44360586/4-Lei ... %20AGN.jpg

Maybe it is just a coincidence tha she has had her agn placed in the exact same spot as I have mine and that she also added ORBX agn and managed to get it in the exact same place as mine.
YEAR RIGHT I don't think so.