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by **raddragon** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:50 pm

dnkiwi wrote:
QUOTE (dnkiwi @ Sep 10 2012,11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi guys so far my build is starting to look good i have now been able to source 90% of the parts i need and am now left the with power supply to get . i chose to upgrade the build with the addition of a 1 terrabyte sata 3 haddrive that has native support for sata 6 gig i am hoping that this will help in its own way givin that the board has sata 3 with 6 gig support which until now i never knew about . the ram i have choosen is kingston hyper x ddr3 8 gig kit thankfully i was able to locate these on trade me unopened and with full warranty for $72 i keep you updated with my progress. if anyone has any advice on the power supply i would be gratefull as i plan to add a second graphics card at a later stage but am confused which the differnt options of power supplys that are out there

It's exciting having a new rig/build!

I haven't kept up on the PSU's, but it is a component you need to spent a bit on. From memory Enermax, Coolermaster, Seasonic and Corsair lead the way - correct me if i'm wrong.

If your case is looking a little tight, a PSU with removable cables is awesome - I have the coolermaster GX750 - 3 years now and going strong - best $170 odd I ever spent.

by **dnkiwi** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:23 pm

i have a what i think is full sized atx icute case its a older model that dosent have front usbs but a bloke on trademe has suggested i buy his front usb kit that plugs into one of the back usb 3 ports and will provide 4 usb 3 ports on the front

by **mfraser** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:14 am

raddragon wrote:
QUOTE (raddragon @ Sep 9 2012,9:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What city are you going to in Oz?

Brisbane - I'll have plenty of time on the morning of departure to find the TRS desk and get it sorted

raddragon wrote:
QUOTE (raddragon @ Sep 9 2012,9:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing to remember though - you only have $700 duty free, mine totaled $659 cough cough...I did buy some high end parts though! I worked it out, once I thrown in the AUS GST refund, I've saved $220 by buying in Oz.

My MSY invoice is AUD $2804 and there will be a few extra things to buy while I'm instore (Windows 7 and a couple of CPU coolers - Haven't decided between the Antec 620 water cooler or Coolermaster 212 Evo). So thats a saving of about NZD $400 just on the GST alone. When I factor the price difference from purchasing locally I'm saving at least NZD $700! (Plus work is paying for my airfare, taxi's and accomodation so why the hell not!?!?!

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by **deeknow** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:02 am

dnkiwi wrote:
QUOTE (dnkiwi @ Sep 10 2012,11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if anyone has any advice on the power supply i would be gratefull as i plan to add a second graphics card at a later stage but am confused which the differnt options of power supplys that are out there

You will want to look at a reasonably beefy PSU if planning to dump another GPU in there. I'd be going for at least a 750w box.

As radragon says take a look at the "modular" PSUs, basically they allow you to remove cables you're not using, makes for a much tidier case interior and gets stuff out of the way if you're a little pressed for space. Might make a big difference if running two full length video cards. The modular PSUs are a little more $$$, so if space isnt a problem in your case dont bother with modular. I'd also go with a known brand, dont penny pinch too much on the PSU.

Here's a shot of the interior of my case to give you an idea of how much tidier the modular PSUs are...

more details: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deeknow/6188109575/

by **raddragon** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:17 pm

mfraser wrote:
QUOTE (mfraser @ Sep 11 2012,8:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Brisbane - I'll have plenty of time on the morning of departure to find the TRS desk and get it sorted

My MSY invoice is AUD $2804 and there will be a few extra things to buy while I'm instore (Windows 7 and a couple of CPU coolers - Haven't decided between the Antec 620 water cooler or Coolermaster 212 Evo). So thats a saving of about NZD $400 just on the GST alone. When I factor the price difference from purchasing locally I'm saving at least NZD $700! (Plus work is paying for my airfare, taxi's and accomodation so why the hell not!?!?! )

Sounds like a well planned expedition - hope you have a large backpack!. Hopefully you wont have any issues on arrival - I'd hate to have to pay customs 15% GST on AUD$2804 upon arrival!

deeknow wrote:
QUOTE (deeknow @ Sep 11 2012,10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You will want to look at a reasonably beefy PSU if planning to dump another GPU in there. I'd be going for at least a 750w box.

As radragon says take a look at the "modular" PSUs, basically they allow you to remove cables you're not using, makes for a much tidier case interior and gets stuff out of the way if you're a little pressed for space. Might make a big difference if running two full length video cards. The modular PSUs are a little more $$$, so if space isnt a problem in your case dont bother with modular. I'd also go with a known brand, dont penny pinch too much on the PSU.

Here's a shot of the interior of my case to give you an idea of how much tidier the modular PSUs are...

more details: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deeknow/6188109575/

Good clean build - mine is looking good also (may be a picture coming). Loving Ivy Bridge - CPU temps under load barely hit 40 degrees.

by **mfraser** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:10 am

raddragon wrote:
QUOTE (raddragon @ Sep 11 2012,11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds like a well planned expedition - hope you have a large backpack!. Hopefully you wont have any issues on arrival - I'd hate to have to pay customs 15% GST on AUD$2804 upon arrival!

Oh god - don't say that!

I've got a few plans up my sleeve to try and get everything on board - I'd prefer not to have to put anything through in my checked luggage if at all possible! If I can't avoid it I'll have to carefully pack the low cost items in my luggage.

I meant to ask you, did TRS physically check all the items you were carrying on board or just look at the invoice?

raddragon wrote:
QUOTE (raddragon @ Sep 11 2012,11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Loving Ivy Bridge - CPU temps under load barely hit 40 degrees.

Is that with the stock cooler? I've settled on the Coolermaster 212 Evo for my build........

by **Ian Warren** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:39 am

mfraser wrote:
QUOTE (mfraser @ Sep 12 2012,11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh god - don't say that! I've got a few plans up my sleeve to try and get everything on board - I'd prefer not to have to put anything through in my checked luggage if at all possible! If I can't avoid it I'll have to carefully pack the low cost items in my luggage.

Arrr

you ex military boys , a well placed airdrop in the next couple days over ....... ,

......

by **deeknow** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:58 am

raddragon wrote:
QUOTE (raddragon @ Sep 11 2012,11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Loving Ivy Bridge - CPU temps under load barely hit 40 degrees.

What do you mean by under-load exactly? Are you running IBT or Prime95 or something? Would be interested to hear some details.

by **raddragon** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:05 pm

deeknow wrote:
QUOTE (deeknow @ Sep 12 2012,10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you mean by under-load exactly? Are you running IBT or Prime95 or something? Would be interested to hear some details.

It is with a Noctua cooler NH-U12P (another great buy for $77NZD (saved approx $100NZD) while I was in Hong Kong in early 2011). These temps are while playing FSX. At system idle/low use the Ivy Bridge temps are sitting at 30 degrees

mfraser wrote:
QUOTE (mfraser @ Sep 12 2012,10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh god - don't say that! I've got a few plans up my sleeve to try and get everything on board - I'd prefer not to have to put anything through in my checked luggage if at all possible! If I can't avoid it I'll have to carefully pack the low cost items in my luggage.

I meant to ask you, did TRS physically check all the items you were carrying on board or just look at the invoice?

Is that with the stock cooler? I've settled on the Coolermaster 212 Evo for my build........

They physically check everything and mark it off against the invoice. You must have a credit card handy and they process the refund right there and then - takes 5 days to process.

by **deeknow** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:22 pm

raddragon wrote:
QUOTE (raddragon @ Sep 12 2012,12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These temps are while playing FSX. At system idle/low use the Ivy Bridge temps are sitting at 30 degrees

Gotcha. Yeah I guess I'm saying you gotta be a little careful when you say things like "under load", especially if you go posting to the boffins in the hardware forums at avsim etc

Although FSX is CPU hungry it doesnt always "load" the system as much as you think and there are so many variables its tough to measure one test against another, e.g. aircraft model, local addon scenery, a/c position, weather, AI volume and movements etc etc etc. e.g. in my modestly overclocked i5 rig (@ 4.3GHz) I see temps in the 40's-50's running FSX. Try running IBT (Intel Burn Test) or Prime95 as these should give you a more useful benchmark and you'll see much higher temps there.

by **dnkiwi** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:37 pm

hi guys at current my plan is to use my current graphics card which is a sapphire radeon hd 6570 with 2 gb of dedicated graphics in the new build i brought it before my last desktop died and only had for so it about a month old so far it seems to run most games with very little effort

by **raddragon** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:50 pm

deeknow wrote:
QUOTE (deeknow @ Sep 12 2012,12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gotcha. Yeah I guess I'm saying you gotta be a little careful when you say things like "under load", especially if you go posting to the boffins in the hardware forums at avsim etc

Although FSX is CPU hungry it doesnt always "load" the system as much as you think and there are so many variables its tough to measure one test against another, e.g. aircraft model, local addon scenery, a/c position, weather, AI volume and movements etc etc etc. e.g. in my modestly overclocked i5 rig (@ 4.3GHz) I see temps in the 40's-50's running FSX. Try running IBT (Intel Burn Test) or Prime95 as these should give you a more useful benchmark and you'll see much higher temps there.

Well I gave Intel Burn Test a whirl - ran it for 4 hours. CPU temp hit 46degrees for approximately 2minutes, then dropped to 36degrees, and finally 32degrees and stayed there for the rest of the time. Noctua fan speed leapt from 971 to 1304RPM.

by **dnkiwi** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:17 pm

hi guys i have purchased my power supply its a Thermaltake lite power 700Watt thankfully i stumbled across it on trademe at the right time and was able to save on some costs with it costing $55 with postage so i am hoping it will do the job so i now i just have get a front usb kit for my case .my pc guy reckons the setup will cost about $80 for him to assemble it . i would give it a go myself but i not sure on the cable placement so my guy has offered to take care things for me and install new sata cables through out

by **deeknow** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:14 pm

dnkiwi wrote:
QUOTE (dnkiwi)
i would give it a go myself but i not sure on the cable placement so my guy has offered to take care things for me and install new sata cables through out

Go on Kiwi, do it yourself mate, part of the thrill :-)

by **dnkiwi** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:27 pm

deeknow wrote:
QUOTE (deeknow @ Sep 13 2012,1:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good stuff. Did you go Modular?

Go on Kiwi, do it yourself mate, part of the thrill :-)

Its not modular but the guy i got it from reckons he had been using it for 2 years but switched over to a mac and he was saying it never missed a beat . i would put it together my self but it has buttons and switchs galore and i am not sure what setting they all have to be on. i am hoping the guy who sold me the board hasn't knocked a switch into the wrong setting but i know he assured me nothing has been put under load or over clocked as he only used it for web surfing and very light graphic editing the cpu is amd 840 series phenom 2 x4 3.2ghz true quad with 2 mb total cache .

by **Ian Warren** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:24 pm

Strangely and not surprising many PC shops get lost with performance and settings and many are starting to over-take in knowledge and its almost a must read for many of these people , you can almost set up a bissness to cater to the flightsimmer , and maybe even fix and build hardware to suit .

by **dnkiwi** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:42 pm

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Sep 13 2012,2:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Strangely and not surprising many PC shops get lost with performance and settings and many are starting to over-take in and its almost a must read for many of these people , you can almost set up a bissness to cater to the flightsimmer , and maybe even fix and build hardware to suit .

thankfully my local pc guy has alot of knowledge in building gaming desktops with that being said i have already impressed him with my extreme desktop folder layout where i had a downloads folder with 63 gig of files in there mostly addons for all my different games and simulations

by **Ian Warren** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:05 pm

dnkiwi wrote:
QUOTE (dnkiwi @ Sep 13 2012,9:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thankfully my local pc guy has alot of knowledge in building gaming desktops with that being said i have already impressed him with my extreme desktop folder layout where i had a downloads folder with 63 gig of files in there mostly addons for all my different games and simulations

Arr .. to train those into Flightsim no .. teach them the most important sim of sims

by **dnkiwi** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:35 pm

Hi guys just a quick update on my current build now that i have all the parts needed to assemble the new rig i decided to take the plunge and have a go at putting it all together myself and i am having some great sucess so far with everything looking like its where it has to be and the only part i want to recheck is the front panel plugs as i think i may have the postives back to front but other than that it looks like it will be up and running within the next week or so and as luck would have my case has front usb ports that i founld tucked away behind a pannel i never knew was there on the side of the case at the very front

by **deeknow** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:37 am

Great stuff ... don't forget the photos

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