Palmerston North Airport Airshow!

[Ben]

Ok So I Was Thinking Of Having a Palmerston North Airport Airshow, Anyone Keen

DATE= TBA
MUST HAVE NZNI

[Ian Warren]

I'd be keen but , recent years been a few that the idea was spun but nothing came of it , in times past i have done three or four , trouble is people want independent setups , has to be all on the same level , all the earlier effort's 'shows' used default aircraft , for anything to look good you need everyone involved with the same payware even if you are only ATC or the camera guy , there is a lot to sort and make sure people practice .

[Ben]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Sep 5 2012,3:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'd be keen but , recent years been a few that the idea was spun but nothing came of it , in times past i have done three or four , trouble is people want independent setups , has to be all on the same level , all the earlier effort's 'shows' used default aircraft , for anything to look good you need everyone involved with the same payware even if you are only ATC or the camera guy , there is a lot to sort and make sure people practice .

Im Thinking Mostly freeware, Do You Want to help sort something out?

[Ian Warren]

Thinks its your time to setup , I do recommend TS during , this means and requires the people to install ..... one big thing that did happen was the yesser's and nobody followed the rules nor would they abide the requirement during one show , the list of freeware , you need to make sure everyone has the same ,

Second best effort setup and was best controlled show was done by Jon Murchison at a rebuilt NZFF in the early months FSX was released , this went almost perfect because people practiced and obeyed the setup , only letdown was the early models .

[Ben]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Sep 5 2012,3:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thinks its your time to setup , I do recommend TS during , this means and requires the people to install ..... one big thing that did happen was the yesser's and nobody followed the rules nor would they abide the requirement during one show , the list of freeware , you need to make sure everyone has the same ,

Second best effort setup and was best controlled show was done by Jon Murchison at a rebuilt NZFF in the early months FSX was released , this went almost perfect because people practiced and obeyed the setup , only letdown was the early models .

If I Did An Installer with all the freeware it may make it easier. I Will Have a think

[Ian Warren]

First you need a good list both aircraft and people both interested in in completing to idea , if not its a waste off time and effort , also good to have a tower person to help control ( something i did at one show)and if not flying great to have a camera person , get freeware BOB to walk , you want a plan people can print and layout .

[Fozzer]

From past experience, many years ago, Multiplayer Air-shows/Fly-ins, etc, used to be quite popular as a novelty in FS 2002 and FS 2004.
Unfortunately, nowadays, after a lot of very hard work by the organiser, you will be very lucky if anyone shows up for the event......and don't forget the complication of different Time Zones around the World, affecting prospective Pilots.
The novelty seems to have waned over the years, and the best you can hope for nowadays is a free flight on a FS Host Multiplayer Site for FS 2002/FS 2004/FSX... http://www.chocolatesoftware.com/ with a Pilot wishing to join you!

Paul...G-BPLF....FS Nav...FS 2004.... ...!

[Ian Warren]

You nailed it there Paul , as mentioned one of the best organized was done by Jon of ARNZ , course he had good selection of people to keep interest and to control what is to be done and not , and it worked well , only let down was the early FSX relied on pre SP1/SP2 and 2004 based models .

I did a European show with a group , cant recall the outfit now , sure the site has disbanded but run with good hiQ models , screens must still be around somewhere ... again pre service packs .

[TonyM]

Ian,

We had an awesome airshow at YPMQ a couple of years back.
I did TWR and there were 7 in the display, within a total of 12-15 in session.

The next one we attempted at YMRY, never got off the ground, due to peeple using
odd aircraft and not commiting to prectising their routines.

But it can be fun and I would love to try one again, now that we are well
advanced into FSX

A mix of RJ100 regional jets , AG planes and a warbird or two, mmmmm tempting.

If anyone was keen on a joint transtasman effort, I'm sure a lot of us OZX club flyers would join you.

Cheers

TonyM

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (TonyM @ Sep 6 2012,10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The next one we attempted at YMRY, never got off the ground, due to peeple using
odd aircraft and not commiting to prectising their routines.

But it can be fun and I would love to try one again, now that we are well
advanced into FSX

A mix of RJ100 regional jets , AG planes and a warbird or two, mmmmm tempting.

Thats the thing with a FSX show , you can't dump the whole lot in one persons lap and other cannot change rules or make excuses , requires planning and discipline , with the ARNZ show every routine had a team and any who did not follow the regime they had to be replaced .

Think that is what made your YMRY and ARNZ work so well , the biggest let in the early days was the lack of quality aircraft were as today , think of the possible screen shots .

It is a large task to organize but when with everyone on the same level it works well .

[TonyM]

Ian,

Yeah, maybe just a little one to see wot interest there is, based on these requirements

A. Hold at an OZ or NZ airport with good scenery, ie Hamilton/Taupo/Moruya/YWOL etc

B. Appoint organizer(s) to plan AND/OR do TWR, with a good standard of ATC

C Make , say max 6 slots for display(First in , best dressed) and 9 spectator places, who join as"BOB"
and take the screenies.

D. A selection of aircraft, either free(Ants tiger) or default or payware that is multiplayer friendly
and which most should have(RJ 100)

E. At a time that could suit player both sides of the ditch (Sundays 0400Z ?)

Might chat on TS with ya soon and see what could be done

Cheers

TonyM

[Ian Warren]

Tony , sounds like the plan and worth a try .

Again using ARNZ's as an example , i used three PC , pre SP two were operating at the show one being a backup C/tower and comm's , i do recall , sure i think i may have hosted it mid show due to a glitch , the third PC was just a click to continue , not sure can be done now .

You said it , Organizers , we had four , Myself , JonM , Tim'Zolt' and Nick Beatty , Nick -handy having a real ATC tower guy on hand and you followed his rules by the book or least conducted yourself so to keep things smooth . Four boss's work and understood each other what was needed .

I'm sure i took over early in the show with connection and Jon then spent more time moving around doing video , be in the historical faults here somewhere .

Course the aircraft , everyone is going to need to have the same , and test in a MP to make sure they work with everyones system/pc .

And the practice , i was with the Harvard team and we practiced very well , and it worked , just a pity it was not Alpha AT-6s.

[zkcav]

I've got the DVD that Jon put together for this event somewhere, if i find it I'll post it on you tube. ARNZX was a good event and was fun practicing for (I flew the Fokker DR I).

Found my pics on photo-bucket -95 of them OH 2008

Well worth the effort, but it does take a lot of commitment from all concerned.

Depending on when it is I'd be a starter...

I do wonder about NZPM as even though it's my local there isn't any good add-ons that I know off that recreate this airport realistically - unless NZNI does?

[Ian Warren]

It would be great if you can find the CD Paul , are so you were the Red Baron so to speak for the time it was not a bad little effort for the time

[Fozzer]

The trouble, nowadays, is that the new breed of Flight Simmers don't seem to have the same enthusiasm for Multiplayer Flights, like we used to have in the "Olden Days"...FS 2000, FS 2002, and good-old FS 2004...

As an example, a quick peek at the NZ Multiplayer Server each day, illustrates what a lonely place it can be.... http://203.114.130.15:81/
And a regular peek at all the various FS Host Servers, using FS Host Spy... http://www.chocolatesoftware.com/fshostspy/ will show that out of the zillions? of MS Flight Simmers, only a handful of them actually use Multiplayer for their flights!... ....!

I connect to a number of different, selected, FS Host Multiplayer Servers every day, with my FS 2004, and its always a real surprise if anyone pops up, and joins me for a flight, and an enjoyable chat!

Most of today's Flight Simmers seem to be mostly occupied with creating and posting awesome* amazing Screen Shots, rather than actually..... "flying".... ...!

Organising a Multiplayer; "Air-show/Fly-in" takes an awful lot of effort, patience, ...and blinding arguments!...to get anything working...only to find that no-one finally turns up on the day!

I'm always very grateful for anyone to join me during one of my daily explorations of Microsoft's Flight Sim, Autogen, etc, Scenery!

Paul...FS 2004+FS Nav+Plan-G....G-BPLF...and a FS Host Server.... ...!

* ...... ....!

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Fozzer @ Sep 7 2012,12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Organising a Multiplayer; "Air-show/Fly-in" takes an awful lot of effort, patience, ...and blinding arguments!...to get anything working...only to find that no-one finally turns up on the day!

I'm always very grateful for anyone to join me during one of my daily explorations of Microsoft's Flight Sim, Autogen, etc, Scenery!

The amount flights ive setup over the years , a few years back almost one every evening , the hardened dedicated ones had life changes and it quietens down ,it go through stages .

Running or setting up a show requires least four well known leaders , the people who are the building blocks of FS , this is what draws people to a good show , i read and hear of people just simply or not into it or dose not appeal to them only to hear them discussing other types of MPs , then the required talk channel .

In Flight Simulation it is the same with scenery design and any aspect off it , there are the talkers and there the doers .

Course in respect to you Paul , the time line would biggest divide , I was chatting with Adrian Petford about 12Hr timeline thingy again the big divide.

[Fozzer]

I don't know how many of our various Multiplayer Pilots are still experiencing the ultimate joys of using FS 2004 for their daily Multiplayer flights..(it would be VERY nice to know!)...but the only thing I desperately miss, (compared to FSX), is access to default Air Traffic Control during my daily on-line flights...!
It would be very nice to be able to request; "Flight Following", etc, if only just to chat to ATC, whilst waiting for someone else to join me in my flights!.... ....!

Its just a shame that ATC communication/navigation wasn't included in FS 2004, (it is in FSX), when running the Sim in Multiplayer Mode... ...!

FS Nav and Plan-G helps with navigation, but the default ATC communication activity during the flight is always missing!

...it can be a very lonely/silent flight... ....!

...any comments, Chums?... ...!

Paul...FS 2004...FS Nav..Plan-G...and a busted radio!... ...!

[deeknow]

Paul. You need to get yourself onto vatsim. Always pleanty of company and always REAL live ATC on at any time of the day somewhere in the world

[Ian Warren]

I was to do and sort out both a FSX/FS9 many yonks back , the regular FSX MP got in the way , now with ORBX and its different very Alt scenery levels then FS9res with that .. cripes then people who don't have anything fall-stop who want to join in a MP ....

[Fozzer]

Sorry for the delay, Chums...
..busy shoppin', cookin' Saturdays dins, and multiplayer flyin' around Southern California on the WSP Server...

...just call me Amby Dextrous... ...!

...VATSIM?... ....

Always been a bit wary of that use, suspecting that its mainly aimed at Simmers who take ATC really seriously/far too seriously... ...!

The beauty of Default ATC is that we can completely ignore their instructions without being warned and reported to the FAA/CAA....(or booted off!)... ...!

I use the Sim every day, mainly for "Fun" and exploration, and really don't take it too seriously..(its only a game!), its just that (default) ATC is a useful extra bit of activity to pass the time away during the flight.... (when the blonde female flight attendant is not available)... ...!

I would perish the thought of annoying other Vatsim Members whilst on-line!... ...!

I may give it a try*....!

Paul...FS 2004....Cessna 150 Aerobat...and a full Bendix-King Radio Stack.... ....!

* Just read the Book of Rules...>>> http://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63080 ....not quite my cup of tea, I'm afraid...far too many threats for my liking!... ...!