Just Flight BAe 146-200

[gojozoom]

Here is the Thread, with quite good amount of feedback: http://forum.avsim.net/page/index.html/_/p...ust-flight-r522

[jeansy]

this is the post i was referring to

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/381442-csl-14...0-jetliner-out/

at the end of the day each to their own, for me as its over $40 i consider it a let down as i cant see it worth that much while many find it a great a addon

[gojozoom]

After having a look at all the forums and feedback, I decided to go ahead and buy it, which I did 20 minutes ago...

Main reasons:

- I like old-school jet planes with no FMC, glass cockpit or other gizmos
- The external model is nice, and most systems are simulated without the huge FPS hit that the PMDG J4100 has.
- Although it's under the same company, it wasn't made by same bunch of developers as the Constellation, Viscount, etc
- Most of the negative feedback sounds like nitpicking to me...

I might send a more detailed review later

Dan

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (gojozoom @ Aug 8 2012,1:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

- I like old-school jet planes with no FMC, glass cockpit or other gizmos
- The external model is nice, and most systems are simulated however it doesn't seem to have an FPS hit as the J4100
- Although it's under the same company, it wasn't made by same bunch of developers as the Constellation, Viscount, etc

- Still takes a lotta effort to fly a jet ... FMC's do diddly swat into Wanaka
- Recent Screens show the external model very much in demand and very well up to scratch
- CLS , DC-10 , the company , the only Deek out there and is a lotta fun

I'm still a little late on buying it myself , if your a 146 driver , this is the one to get currently .

[deeknow]

QUOTE (gojozoom @ Aug 8 2012,12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

- Although it's under the same company, it wasn't made by same bunch of developers as the Constellation, Viscount, etc

Yeah as Ian says CLS do produce some nice models, and at a fair price usually. I also have their DC10, and their A300 (which is so/so really, have since scored the Simcheck A300) The CLS MD80/81 also gets solid reviews, is another machine I've thought about buying for some time.

Re the 146 though, I'm gonna wait and see how the QWings FSX release pans out first.

[JonARNZ]

I think this is CLS's first FSX only model as well.

Just a little bit more into the mix. I'm still in touch with two 146 pilots who helped me out over the years when I was developing my own version for FS9. They are both very impressed with this version and told me it fly's by the numbers as long as people choose to use the True Feel flight dynamics and don't swap it out for the Easy Feel. They also said that while some of the systems aren't included those that are are a pretty accurate representation of the actual aircraft given this is a steam gauge aircraft.

They both agreed the FMC was a waste of time as the original 146 this is modeled after never had one.

As a heads up there is more than just the -300 expansion being released, which is due in September. If your a QT fan you may well be a happy camper come Sept...but I never told you that

Oh and a shameless plug (feel free to delete this mr admin if its not appropriate), we are giving a download copy of this away on the ARNZX website.

[deeknow]

Useful feedback, thanks Jon

[Timmy74]

Hi Gentlemen,

I have it on good note that an Air NewZealand repaint for the J/F 146 is on its way.

WOO HOO!!!

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (JonARNZ @ Aug 8 2012,7:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just a little bit more into the mix. I'm still in touch with two 146 pilots who helped me out over the years when I was developing my own version for FS9. They are both very impressed with this version and told me it fly's by the numbers as long as people choose to use the True Feel flight dynamics and don't swap it out for the Easy Feel. They also said that while some of the systems aren't included those that are are a pretty accurate representation of the actual aircraft given this is a steam gauge aircraft.

I also no a lotta aircrew , mainly the backseat girls , FMC , i'm imaginative .. FMC means .. bla bla bla .. Follow My Corrections ..

[JonARNZ]

[Ian Warren]

Those latest screens say it all , Jon Brilliant think be a bitta whispering around the skies today ... That nose on approach , i did have a wicked A5 plus photo on short finals approaching Welly , One of the Taylor's gave to me but now lost Graham would love to take this fro a spin and Colin .. Well not sure , ya never no .. he might want to drive one for a change instead of loading them up , course .. Again the banner above seems very appropriate

[Timmy74]

Bushpilot has weaved his magic once again!!

Here you go chaps.

Enjoy!

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/topic/...bae-146-zk-nez/

Cheers.

Tim....

[Ian Warren]

Gentlemen,

QUOTE

I have it on good note that an Air NewZealand repaint for the J/F 146 is on its way.[/quote]

Here tis !!!

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/...bae-146-zk-nez/


GOGETIT


Cheers

TonyM

[Ian Warren]

Thats were they got the TNT livery .. 'T'im 'N' 'T'ony delivering the package .. in Aussie Orange of course

[TonyM]

@ Tim,

Haha, beat me by 3 minutes

Cheers

TonyM

[gojozoom]

Unfortunately the more I fly this the more frustrated I become... I think the FDE need some serious work. Whenever you turn this plane, it generates an enormous amount of drag and starts "falling" by 2-3000FPM. If your flaps are extended you can easily stall the plane within 10 seconds unless you apply full throttle in a turn. This makes non-straight approaches impossible. In general the plane has a nose up attitude even in cruise, and it is extremely hard to achieve a "balanced" approach. "Hmmm, you should've waited for the QW model" you say, but I wanted a steam-gauge 146, not a modern RJ. The reason why this is so frustrating is that the external model, the VC, and the system simulations are fantastic! I just can't land it. It could be just me, but I generally don't have problem with the heavies.

Anyone else tried it? Opinions?


PS: Last week I saw a guy on another forum criticizing the flight dynamics, referring to the same pitch and drag problems. I didn't think he was right back then

Dan

[victor_alpha_charlie]

Just a suggestion which I'm sure you've tried, but maybe playing with the weight and balance will help? Maybe the C of G is just aft of limits?

[gojozoom]

Yes, that was my first suspicion, I tried different configurations (empty plane, fuel-only, etc), but the results were the same. I emailed justflight with some other observations. We'll see what they do about it.

[Ian Warren]

I do have the very same problem with the Aerosoft 320 on landing ( they said it was buggy) ... correct weights 'the lot' just wants to fall out of the sky also had this 146 but slight glitch in PC saved the continuation , but appear to be the same problem .