ORBX NZSI

[goingboeing]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Jan 1 2012,8:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Looks OK to me ... and a BIG welcome!

I hope you managed to get in there while the sale was still on! There are a few issues around NZWB, NZOH and NZNS with both NZSI and VLC enabled ... but dig around here and you'll find the info you need - albeit scattered across a few threads.

Thanks guys for the super quick replies I tried a few of the fixes listed elsewhere on nzff namely the changing of certain .bgl files etc and still had issues. I'll read up on a few more threads and have another crack at it during the week. otherwise might have to wait untill patches come out.

On a side note the quality of the NZ developers work is staggeringly good and the likes of Hamilton and Nelson are up there with the best available.

cheers for the warm welcome!

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (goingboeing @ Jan 1 2012,7:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Guys Happy New Year! I am new to the NZFF forum so apologise if I have done this wrong.

I studied for my CPL in Invercargill over 4 years ago and have found the orbx treatment to be fairly well spot-on so far for Otago/Southland I now fly Commercially in the North Island so it will be interesting to see what it's like when NZNI is released. I also own VLC and am very impressed with it also and many of the add-on airports such as Taupo, Nelson, Blenheim etc.

I know it's probably been discussed but I was wanting some clarification on issues as I am obviously using orbx (bought in the sale to try it out) for sth island and VLC for the north (at the mo). My Add On Sceneries are doing all kinds of crazy things especially Nelson which is raised above the ground and also Blenheim which is all messed up also. I just want to know if there is some sort of fix or wether I will be best to revert back to VLC for all in the meantime and enjoy the happy relationship they had earlier. I am guessing it's a terrain issue but really not sure, any help would be greatly appreciated.

cheers James

Hi James here are the fixes to put you back to Robins NZOM NZWB and NZPN http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...l=realNZ+Nelson

[zkcav]

I was wondering if someone can give me some clarification on NZSI and what it does vs VLC.

Please correct me if I’m wrong but VLC does the mesh (elevations) for all of NZ accurately, adds roads and rivers in the correct geographical locations and replacement and custom textures and buildings plus some airports made over.

NZSI does the same for the South Island only with elevations not as accurate, with the addition of some airports getting the Orbx make over and people flow.

Flying across the strait how does that look going from VLC to SI or back? I’m not a total purest but I want things as accurate as FSX will allow, but can live with some eye candy for enjoyment.

Can me indecisive but I’m not convinced I want to install NZSI yet even though I’m downloading it now.
I guess I’m after an objective assessment and each person will have their own opinion.

[Adamski]

QUOTE (zkcav @ Jan 1 2012,9:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Can me indecisive but I’m not convinced I want to install NZSI yet even though I’m downloading it now.

No harm installing it - you can always turn it on/off.

NB: If you're adding any *NEW* sceneries, remember to toggle the ORBX scenery configurator/switcher to "Default", install your scenery, then re-select "Oceania".

[zkcav]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Jan 1 2012,9:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No harm installing it - you can always turn it on/off.

True - but it's still got another 49 mins to download....

And I'm always worried about over writing other textures too has happened to me a few to many times before.

[goingboeing]

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jan 1 2012,8:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi James here are the fixes to put you back to Robins NZOM NZWB and NZPN http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...l=realNZ+Nelson

went back and tried the bgl change option this time itworked well, All I needed to do was up the realnz scenery in the priority list which I didn't do last time. there is as mentioned a double up of the lighthouse in nelson and the waihopai spy station is doubled also.

the problem now is I can't open the FTX central program and my textures outside of the airport/photoreal areas have gone crazy. that will be this mornings mission if the wx stays rubbish.

[toprob]

QUOTE (zkcav @ Jan 1 2012,9:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was wondering if someone can give me some clarification on NZSI and what it does vs VLC.

Please correct me if I’m wrong but VLC does the mesh (elevations) for all of NZ accurately, adds roads and rivers in the correct geographical locations and replacement and custom textures and buildings plus some airports made over.

NZSI does the same for the South Island only with elevations not as accurate, with the addition of some airports getting the Orbx make over and people flow.

Flying across the strait how does that look going from VLC to SI or back? I’m not a total purest but I want things as accurate as FSX will allow, but can live with some eye candy for enjoyment.

Can me indecisive but I’m not convinced I want to install NZSI yet even though I’m downloading it now.
I guess I’m after an objective assessment and each person will have their own opinion.

Just to clarify the elevation issues, Orbx are quite within their rights to say that their elevations are just as accurate. The issue I have is that Tim went to a lot of trouble to match VLC's mesh elevations to the AIP charts, so that all NZ airports get a standard elevation, whether you use default FSX, Vector Land Class or custom airports. Orbx recommend that developers match elevations to the Orbx mesh, but this doesn't really make much sense unless we only develop for Orbx compatibility -- I won't be doing this, as I'm quite happy to continue developing for VLC, which makes it a simple process to match default FSX as well.

However I will 'patch' Real New Zealand and Godzone scenery to allow use with Orbx, it just won't have the same degree of integration as VLC.

A quick comment on your query about flying the Strait -- Orbx have 'hijacked' the autogen building textures which are used in New Zealand, for their own use, so when you fly to the North Island without deactivating Orbx South Island you'll get incorrect autogen houses throughout the North Island, whether you use VLC, default, or custom scenery. Houses will appear as tiny little australian shops. The autogen is the only real issue, I think, but it is difficult to fix completely. In this case it makes sense to follow Orbx's solution to fix this -- they have used Region L -- Europe French -- for NZ houses, so I'm assuming that they won't be hijacking this texture set any time soon, in which case it is 'safe' to use. This is a bit more complicated, as Orbx use a selection of other European textures for commercial areas.

I have no idea how this should be fixed for the default FSX and Vector Land Class -- your choices are to put up with this, or turn off NZSI when you fly in the North Island

However custom scenery can be fixed to some degree. There are two ways to do this -- Orbx recommend editing the autogen (agn tiles) to change the region, but I'm not going to do this -- I'd happy to keep the existing autogen, which is fully compatible with both default and VLC. Editing it would require either two sets of autogen, which is asking for trouble, or a single set optimised for Orbx, which would be a compromise using VLC. Another solution is to create one region-change for each custom scenery area, so that there is just one file for each area rather than thousands of edited agns.

So the patch would include a single file which changes the local region to French. Not an ideal solution, but workable.

[zkcav]

Thanks for the heads up Robin.

Your comment about using Region L concerns me as I run the full suite of France VFR plus two other French regional designers as well. It's the area I use second most after NZ.

I guess from your comments I would be safe to install it but the last thing I want to go on a flight from say Paris to Strasburg or go crusing the Riveria to see "tiny little Austrailian Shops" instead of French houses.

I'll park NZSI in my "to install" folder for a while and keep an eye on this and the Orbx forums.

[Adamski]

QUOTE (zkcav @ Jan 2 2012,8:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

but the last thing I want to go on a flight from say Paris to Strasburg or go crusing the Riveria to see "tiny little Austrailian Shops" instead of French houses.

This all fair does my head in

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (toprob @ Jan 2 2012,12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

However I will 'patch' Real New Zealand and Godzone scenery to allow use with Orbx, it just won't have the same degree of integration as VLC.

Orbx have 'hijacked' the autogen building textures which are used in New Zealand,

So the patch would include a single file which changes the local region to French. Not an ideal solution, but workable.

End off the day that,s all that is needed , the simple fix to make it all one , French bread and wines we can all enjoy while we land back into RealNZ , Akaroa is only around the corner

[toprob]

QUOTE (zkcav @ Jan 2 2012,8:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for the heads up Robin.

Your comment about using Region L concerns me as I run the full suite of France VFR plus two other French regional designers as well. It's the area I use second most after NZ.

I guess from your comments I would be safe to install it but the last thing I want to go on a flight from say Paris to Strasburg or go crusing the Riveria to see "tiny little Austrailian Shops" instead of French houses.

I'll park NZSI in my "to install" folder for a while and keep an eye on this and the Orbx forums.

No need to worry -- it works the other way, it only changes the houses in New Zealand in this case. I mentioned that this particular texture set is 'safe' -- that is, it can't be hijacked because it is already used in Orbx NZSI.

The real issues will be to do with other addons within the South Island for the moment, then the whole country when Orbx release the North Island. Anywhere else you should turn off Orbx Oceania anyway using FTX central.

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Jan 2 2012,9:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This all fair does my head in

same here, if you dont like it ,or, it causes stress...dont use it,......seems easy too me......

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jan 4 2012,7:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

if you dont like it ,or, it causes stress...dont use it,......seems easy too me.....

Its the canvas , now we just have to paint on it .

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jan 4 2012,8:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Its the canvas , now we just have to paint on it .

Why?.....paint on VLC

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jan 4 2012,9:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Why?.....paint on VLC

Marty , already done it , you cannot fix MS but you can paint a brilliant town

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jan 4 2012,9:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Marty , already done it , you cannot fix MS but you can paint a brilliant town

OK

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jan 4 2012,9:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

OK

Now this shows there is no excuse , This the combined effort - GODZONE - REALNZ - ORBX , It simply requires working together all to make one country.



YOU CANNOT GET BETTER THAN THIS ... now where am i

[scaber]

Hokitika! It's brilliant.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (scaber @ Jan 7 2012,5:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hokitika! It's brilliant.

, Hoki Doki ... but ya nailed it

[creator2003]

Im working on patches to my scenery down south which are on there way soon.