WHEN TO STEAL

[Ian Warren]

WHEN TO STEAL , ' Peter Walker' , Hmmm the so called author , .. First file released now removed from Flightsim.com and also Avsim - a 20 meter land class , VLC ? very possible - FSX-Auckland , a lot off autogen with my signature in many areas .. I checked it tonight and is not original work , copied AGN from RealNZ , I do this work .

Autogen , I do for very good friends and other scenery designers , for them have all my back up .......... and to the thieves - ...... oh boy i was going to say something but

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Nov 6 2010, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

WHEN TO STEAL , ' Peter Walker' , Hmmm the so called author , .. First file released now removed from Flightsim.com and also Avsim - a 20 meter land class , VLC ? very possible - FSX-Auckland , a lot off autogen with my signature in many areas .. I checked it tonight and is not original work , copied AGN from RealNZ , I do this work .

Autogen , I do for very good friends and other scenery designers , for them have all my back up .......... and to the thieves - ...... oh boy i was going to say something but

Sad to say, theres a lot of it going on Ian......hope you/they can track the bugger down

[GlennAV8R]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Nov 6 2010, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sad to say, theres a lot of it going on Ian......hope you/they can track the bugger down

The Auckland stuff is back up on Avsim again. This persons website is http://fsxphotoreal.net/ and there is some interesting reading in the forum with him claiming it is is own work, and Avsim accepting it.

[kcgb]

Last I looked it was also back on Flightsim.com

[kcgb]

And simviation.com

[toprob]

QUOTE (GlennAV8R @ Nov 6 2010, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The Auckland stuff is back up on Avsim again. This persons website is http://fsxphotoreal.net/ and there is some interesting reading in the forum with him claiming it is is own work, and Avsim accepting it.

Yes, hopefully I can sort this out with Avsim on Monday. As far as I'm concerned, this is part of the same campaign against anyone involved in developing NZ scenery at the moment as the 'Real NZ' landclass released a couple of months ago. That this guy is prepared to brazen it out with Avsim means that he's stepping things up a bit. This, and the previous attempt, are hidden behind anonymous websites, without the normal domain name contacts. I would be very surprised if 'Peter Walker' was his real name.

As an illustration of how piracy works, currently there are 577 downloads of this file on Avsim, probably the same amount from previous uploads on other sites, since removed. Ian Warren did a lot of the original autogen for Supercity, ask him how long it takes to do this sort of thing, and here's a guy slapping his name on it and spreading it around with maybe a day's work involved. As someone pointed out in the previous thread on the 'Real NZ' debacle, it seems strange that someone would be so brazen about this with apparently nothing to gain. This intrigues me, I really do wonder what they have to gain, apart from undermining my business.

Normally I am a bit more understanding of these people, I've been around long enough to know that this kind of behaviour is normally associated with people who perceive themselves as losers, and want to be part of something with a good reputation, but I don't think that's the case this time around.

It seems comical really that New Zealand has become a real battle zone in the flightsim community. It seems such a tiny little place to fight over. Either someone is trying to undermine us, or someone really wants to be me. Sometimes I don't even want to be me, so I can't see the attraction. I work for the equivalent of the minimum wage producing NZ scenery, certainly not for the money, and put up with all sorts of rubbish like this, if someone wants my life they should just come out and say so, I'll do a swap...

I did try to sign up to the guy's 'forum', but haven't been approved yet, so I really think I need to reply here. So, Peter Walker, please get in touch with me and let me know what the hell you are playing at.

[Ian Warren]

These are only a few files so far , 'and there is some interesting reading in the forum with him claiming it is is own work, and Avsim accepting it.' .. Avsim got hacked real good nine months back , we also had a 'FSX Real New Zealand Grround Texture' By a Peter St Johns , John Heard , Robin Alberts , Carol Allens , Cliff Blake , .. the readme continues to show lies .

This file was found to be completely false and not this the so called authors work - i double checked the latest stolen and posted files regarding Auckland , after spending many years over this area , it shows my signature and other copied filed .

[Nzeddy]

http://fsxphotoreal.net/forum/index.php?PH...opic=6.msg8#new

[Ian Warren]

Looking at this Eddy , a thief full off it ,
Email from Avsim:
Hello From Avsim,
It has been brought to our attention that your upload may contain
files that were created by another author and are being used without
their knowledge or consent. Your file is being removed pending further
investigation by our staff. Please contact us with any questions or
concerns you may have regarding this action.

Regards,
Tony Mikos
Library Manager/Eula Investigator
AVSIM Online

My Reply:

Dear Tony,

Thankyou for your email and I am concerned that my file has been removed for
your File Library.

I spent some 7 months working on Auckland Central and have no idea what
files I could have used that have been created by another Author ?

The Original Image Data is freely available from
http://www.linz.govt.nz/topography/aerial-...-geo/index.aspx so I
can't see any problems with the data at all.

The only thing that might appear to be a problem would be something such as
Autogen ? The reason I say it might be the Autogen is mainly because if
someone else has used the same Raw data Images from the above link it would
be very hard not to have almost the same Autogen as we would be looking at
the very same thing when making Autogen.

I still have all my original work here on my Computer and you are more than
welcome to look at it all if you think there is a need ? ..........................[b] YEAH RIGHT!

Regards
Peter Walker

[toprob]

'Peter' has maintained that if two people developed independent autogen for the same image, it would appear the same. Here's an experiment that anyone with Supercity could do. Just a quick comparision between Supercity and Peter's scenery which he apparently spend 7 months developing.

I won't show the images here, as they are full sized for clarity, but you can view them, save them, do what you wish.

This was my first comparison, a quick one for Avsim:

Supercity.

Peter's scenery.

Here's another comparison, which shows some interesting things.

Supercity.

Peter's scenery.

As I said, the second image shows some interesting features of Supercity autogen. If you look at the Supercity screenshot, you'll may notice the size of the houses (the red rectangles represent houses). On the right are the original FS2004 autogen houses, drawn using sweeping lines along the roads, on the left are redone FSX houses. Notice that these are smaller, and more accurately placed. Goodness, Peter's houses are exactly the same! EXACTLY the same. Can anyone see any differences?

Every building and vegetation area in this screenshot is exactly the same. Not just a bit the same, but exactly the same. Any doubts? I can do these comparisons all week...

[Ian Warren]

No dou,t - stolen , exactly the same , now who is this 'Peter Walker' the same 'Peter St Johns , John Heard , Robin Alberts , Carol Allens , Cliff Blake' S . Simply the has no guts but then why spend time scabbing produced work .

The many made up names , Lyer,s cheats and thieves ..sudo names add Peter Walker to the list , anyone em if real .... kneecap em for me !

[Rotordude]

That is just lower than low. Good luck on the battle front is all I can say.
I have had graphics stolen and posted as someone elses work, believe me it was a loosing battle to get them removed from offending web sites and a fight I gave up on. end result I just did not do any more "for public sharing" some folks are just file thieves and others are credit takers, both = the stuff that is lower in the evolutionary scale than scum.

Keep the fight going.

[Timmo]

Yes, the 20m mesh recently added to Flightsim.com was the VLC mesh (the fact that that mesh was missing Great Barrier Island gave it away) also- Uploaded under a different name, but possibly the same person.

It is a real shame....as anyone that has made FS scenery can attest, this kinda stuff isn't a '5 minute job' to create- The mesh took many tens of hours of work and investment to create.

[spongebob206]

This is discusting.

All the best for the battle ahead.

If I can do anything to help please don't hesitate to ask.

Good luck

[deeknow]

Does this mean the Timaru photoreal released by the same identity is of dubious origins also?

[toprob]

QUOTE (deeknow @ Nov 7 2010, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Does this mean the Timaru photoreal released by the same identity is of dubious origins also?

Absolutely not. However it doesn't include autogen.

There is no issue with the aerial image in the NZAA scenery -- this is freely available from the LINZ site. Only the autogen is mine.

And in case anyone asks about 'Peter's' comment about who exactly owns this autogen, it's simple. I own it. Some of it was created by Ian Warren, who does a lot of autogen for me and others. But it belongs to me. Couldn't be simpler.

However Ian does own the right to be offended by this, as he worked a lot of hours to create this.

[Charl]

Well that's twice that I've gotten interested in FSX freeware for NZ.
And twice that the screenshots here are gone the next day, apparently based on Bad Guys' Work.
There isn't going to be a third time, as I've uninstalled FSX, as the only sure way to flush out all that cr@p.

As I said previously, it's completely baffling that anyone would take the time...equally baffling that AVSIM won't pull the files as a matter of course.
When I had a (totally spurious and spiteful) complaint lodged about one of my uploads, they pulled the files and refused to put them back while the complainant lived.

I guess the hobby has its share of inconsistent and/or unstable personalities.
I wonder who p!ssed this one off?

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Charl @ Nov 7 2010, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well that's twice that I've gotten interested in FSX freeware for NZ.
And twice that the screenshots here are gone the next day, apparently based on Bad Guys' Work.
There isn't going to be a third time, as I've uninstalled FSX, as the only sure way to flush out all that cr@p.

As I said previously, it's completely baffling that anyone would take the time...equally baffling that AVSIM won't pull the files as a matter of course.
When I had a (totally spurious and spiteful) complaint lodged about one of my uploads, they pulled the files and refused to put them back while the complainant lived.

I guess the hobby has its share of inconsistent and/or unstable personalities.
I wonder who p!ssed this one off?

Charl, i feel the same now.....Im worried that some of the "freeware" Ive collected over time....may not be so free after all. Jeez , always some plonker to stress out what should be a relaxing hobby. I dont really follow all the tech talk between the guys, but i can feel for them.....just not sure what to do .

Marty

[toprob]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Nov 7 2010, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

:unsure: Charl, i feel the same now.....Im worried that some of the "freeware" Ive collected over time....may not be so free after all. Jeez , always some plonker to stress out what should be a relaxing hobby. I dont really follow all the tech talk between the guys, but i can feel for them.....just not sure what to do .

Marty

Marty and Charl -- it shouldn't be your concern, it's really up to the legitimate owners of the 'product' to sort it out. That's the way I like to see it work, which is why I check these new releases out pretty quickly to make sure that they are ok. I'm a bit devastated by Charl's comment about removing FSX -- Charl was quick to point out that maybe someone has another motive other than just a bit of piracy, and I've come to believe this completely -- someone is working hard to undermine the local community here, and if Charl has given up on FSX then that's a win for them.

[dbcunnz]

I like Robin have downloaded all these pirated software and installed it but as soon as it is known to be pirated it is disabled in my FSX.
As for the FSX - Real New Zealand Ground Textures By: Peter St Johns,John Heard,Robin Alberts,Carol Allens & Cliff Blake i sent several emails to realnz@coolkiwi.co.nz to query it and have not had one reply so that has to say something about them.
So who is this Peter Walker I would like him to put a photo of himself and his address so we can all see who he is.

Doug