767 Level D or Capt Sim

[cowpatz]

I thought that I might add a medium range airliner to the current range of airliners I have.
With the lack of a good 777 I thought I might go for the 767.
Which is the better option?
I am not so concerned about the exterior model but more so with the panel functionality and fidelity.
The FMC must be accurate and the updatability of the nav data must be readily available and if possible be easy for the user to modify or create SIDs/STARs/App's
as it is with PMDG data.
I have heard good things about the Level D 767, which has been around for a while but not much on the Capt sim model. Is the Lvl D model now dated in comparison with the CS767?
Your thoughts would be appreciated.

[Chairman]

I only have the level-d, which I think is awesome. From what I can tell it is certainly accurately modelled, I don't know enough about the technical bits to say for sure but from one long discussion we had in the forum about something I was doing wrong I do know that when you are taking off the nav position changes from the IRU position to the radio position at the point of liftoff seems pretty accurately done to me.

Navdata is in the usual form of an exe file from navigraph in each airac cycle and you can easily add your own procedures to the FMC. Not sure whether they survive navdata updates !

You can buy the Level-D through flight 1 so presumably you could also get their 30 day no questions refund on it, I'd start with that and see what you think. If you get the FS9 version and want to update later to FSX you only pay the difference between the versions which I think is about $15, that's a cool feature.

The FSX version has updated VNAV descent logic but that's the only really significant difference I think, and only apply if you use VNAV to descend. VNAV descents in FS9 are good but do need watching to make sure it stays on track.

Gary

[mfraser]

In terms of payware, I currently don't have anything in my hangar bigger than the PMDG 737 series......... I have toyed briefly with the Opensky 747-767-777 models for my long range flights and they're quite good. Nice exterior models and a few have really stunning virtual cockpits. I also use the excellent ISG1 gauge pack. It contains a really good FMC which can be used in ANY aircraft as well as a number of other Boeing and Airbus style gauges....... you could download all the POSKY models and fit every aircraft out with some great gauges for less than what you'd pay for the LevelD or CS product(s). Just a thought...... also see my post here about the upcoming FSX Avionics Pack being developed across the Tasman............

New FSX Avionics Suite

One criticism about the ISG gauges is the Navdata.......... it often needs tweaking as some of the routes and waypoints are incorrect...... nothing major - its just that some fixes and waypoints are transposed with their northern hemisphere counterparts......... it doesn't take much to fix it (I normally spend a day or two fixing the routes after each AIRAC and am currently writing up the GPS approaches for NZ............ so at least that would fit your criteria......... pretty much all the Navdata can be tweaked........ SIDs, STAR's, Transitions, Approaches, Nav/Comm Frequencies etc!!

Cheers,
Mat

PS - Anyone else here using ISG1?? If so I'll start uploading the new AIRAC and approach data whenever I update them...........

[AlisterC]

I agree with all Chairman has said. I've had Level D since version 1.0, and never looked back. Still one of my favourite addons. I own the FSX upgrade too, but I'm not so happy with it on FSX (tends to fly off on it's on from time to time and not follow the LNAV flight path)(caused by using Active Sky at the same time I believe)
But FS9 version is excellent in all regards. I've not bothered with a Captain Sim version as I'm so impressed with Level D. Easy repaint installs, easy payload config manager. Flies great, fully functional and accurate. Easy on the FPS too which is important!

[Chairman]

The only problem I've *ever* had with LNAV was when I tried flying NZAA DUGAN A597 KEC CANDY RJBB just after I got FS2Crew. I didn't realise the FO was seeding the IRU position with a gate at KSFO as per the tutorial on every flight.

This meant that the plane would take off and immediately after liftoff change to navigating based on the radio position for as long as it had coverage which was somewhere between GOPRA and ENOUS, there were a few brief (2-3 minutes) spots before that where it had no signal but they weren't long enough for it to flick over to using just the IRU position. Once it did though it added the IRU track to KSFO instead of NZAA and worked out it was somewhere over canada and had to turn south to get to the next waypoint, that would put it back into radio coverage and it would change to radio position and turn north again, repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat insufficient fuel alert repeat repeat splash ...

It also means I managed not to notice during preflight and taxi that all the beacons on the ND were the ones from around KSFO not the ones around NZAA, and that the runway shown on the ND didn't line up with the heading bug ... but we won't go there !

Gary

[cowpatz]

Thanks guys. I do have add ons that I have put in a generic FMC or the CIVA INS unit.
However I also want the accuracy and realism of these other great payware offerings....particularly the systems.
for example I find it disappointing to get a great model like the Posky 777 only to have to put up with a generic autoflight system.
The whole purpose of flying the 777 is to utilise the great avionics offerings and integration that it has.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Albatross @ Aug 17 2010, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've not bothered with a Captain Sim version as I'm so impressed with Level D. Easy repaint installs, easy payload config manager. Flies great, fully functional and accurate. Easy on the FPS too which is important!

In all respect s , Alister covered the operations , the LD 76 cannot be surpassed , i have both .. Capt Sim is ideal for the ones who do not want the fully functional cockpit , the sound package is better , Capt Sim copies many systems - the one thing CS offers is a lot off ramp and main't features like covers and many sorts . you can get them for both Flight sim s