Orbix YBBN

[cowpatz]

Is this the best scenery yet?

[Ian Warren]

I chased all the ORBX scenery till now , Brissy released a good couple weeks back and there was very little mention , I again like many people no this airport like the back of my hand , maybe its all this new scenery getting done in New Zealand .

[Nzeddy]

Yes, this is the best airport scenery for FSX so far..., in terms of detail, textures, 7cm per pixal aprons etc. It will slow down performance and FPS if you have all your scenery sliders to the right and have all options ticked in the YBBN control panel unless if you have a super computer. Defraging after installing YBBN should help btw.

I've pre-paid and willl be downloading sometime next month as I'm on dial up ATM.

Imagine an Orbx Auckland Intl Airport....

[Adamski]

QUOTE (cowpatz @ Apr 24 2010, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Is this the best scenery yet?

Well .. the videos of Tamworth and Melbourne looked pretty amazing too! Have they raised the bar yet again?!!!

I wish we could persuade them to do Auckland

[jastheace]

ybbn was released yesterday, i had pre ordered, started downloading, then the internet gods decided that the internet would go on the blink until 2 mins before i left for work,

will install and get some pics for you all when i can.

[Redda03]

It is apparent that there are some problems being encountered with OrbX YBBN......refer....http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php ... 4.0....for further info.

I intend to wait and see if the problems continue before purchasing!!!

Bob R

[cowpatz]

I would take a look but to do so requires registering. This requires a password which must be 8 characters or more in length, contain a mix of letters and numbers as well as a mix of upper and lower case.
They must be joking. My online bank account doesn't need that! I do not see why a forum has to be that secure.
I'll give it a miss...enough damn passwords to remember.

[Adamski]

QUOTE (Redda03 @ Apr 24 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It is apparent that there are some problems being encountered with OrbX YBBN......refer....http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php ... 4.0....for further info.

I intend to wait and see if the problems continue before purchasing!!!

Bob R

Hey Bob ... what's the general drift? Not sure whether cut 'n' paste is acceptable ... but just wondered what the problems were. I was sort of thinking of buying this ... as I've actually been in and out of YBBN a couple of times, but haven't a clue what Melbourne looks like. I didn't even know where Tamworth was till I looked it up!

EDIT: I did the "register dance" (it took around four attempts, hahaha ... but logged in eventually). For the benefit of others .... a LOT of posts, but basically along the lines of OOM (Out Of Memory) errors, lock-ups, CTD's all to do with the [amazing] level of detail in that particular add-on. ORBX admit that it's w-a-a-y more complex than anything they've attempted in the past.

It appears to bring most systems to their knees. Even after setting YBBN to lowest detail, many users are having to reduce many global FSX settings - which makes the rest of the world look pretty awful. I can do that easily without having to pay a lot of money

[toprob]

Ok, hands up those who honesty believed that YBBN would somehow manage to perform like an average airport addon? They offer a tool to scale the detail, on top of FSX's own settings options -- isn't that a big hint that maybe you might need to choose between some of the features, rather than just trying for everything?

The only mistake which Orbx have made was made by Microsoft themselves -- they misread human nature, by expecting users to pick and choose what features they need. People want it all, so making them choose is only going to make some customers grumpy. Especially those who have built the ultimate system, so they don't need to compromise, and suddenly they're expected to turn down some settings.

I must admit that it took me a long time to get comfortable with running FSX on lower settings, but now that I do, I'm enjoying it a whole lot more.

One suggestion -- a YBBN Lite -- appeals to me. Remove everything which can be turned off in their config tool, get rid of the tool, and I bet it would still be a very nice scenery.

[Ian Warren]

Obviously i misread the release date , on the norm i would have this scenery directly but guess spending a lot more time in New Zealand with Hamilton ,Wanganui , Kaniere , now i have the Meat and the 3 Veg,e now for some Gravy , the VLC .... YUMMY

[NZ255]

*shy hand raise*

[LMerraine]

I haven't even looked at this airport, apart from, that will look nice. I tend to have lower frame rates around Brisbane already, I got Melbourne when it first came out, and I think I loaded it up, turned everything off and then basically have never flown to YMML since.

I like having my FS looking good, and if that means missing out on YBBN etc, then that's my decision, and I have to expect that these new airports will not work well for me.

I do think that they could offer a lite version with all the stuff you would generally only go and see once removed. I'm talking about the museum, and other landside scenery. (Not all of it).

But one day I will have a system that will run this at it's highest level, and then I will be thankful that they did so much detail.

Although I live in Aussie, I must admit I'm looking forward to them doing NZ, but do worry about how the local scene will take it. I would love to see an NZx group working on the other airports (like AussieX).

I must admit I haven't bought any NZ scenery for quite some time, but as I understand the big airports (AA,WN,CH) are all in the process of being done? but hope that these will fit into the scenery, as I would rather give kiwi's the money than the Aussies. NZ is still my home, I just ran away...

[toprob]

QUOTE (LMerraine @ Apr 25 2010, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Although I live in Aussie, I must admit I'm looking forward to them doing NZ, but do worry about how the local scene will take it. I would love to see an NZx group working on the other airports (like AussieX).

I must admit I haven't bought any NZ scenery for quite some time, but as I understand the big airports (AA,WN,CH) are all in the process of being done? but hope that these will fit into the scenery, as I would rather give kiwi's the money than the Aussies. NZ is still my home, I just ran away...

I'd rather you you gave kiwis the money too...
With its small population, NZ is a rather unique FS market. I think I know every FS user in the country:) But NZ doesn't really fit the normal FSX scenery business model, in that nobody is going to make a fortune by producing NZ scenery. I try, and I'll continue to try until they prise the joystick (for slewing only) out of my cold dead hand -- or until the debt collectors are lined up at the door:)

But I'm aware that an Orbx NZ would make it uneconomical for me to release NZAA, for instance. Even the announcement a month ago that Orbx has plans for NZ reduced Real NZ sales by 70%. That's just the vapour, who knows what an actual product would do.

On the other hand, I think that this is the most exciting time to be in FSX development, and the main reason is VLC. Most people don't realise what a coup this is for NZ simmers. I personally think that it could be what we have all been waiting for, but I'm well aware that it's success isn't the sure thing it was before a vapourware Orbx NZ was announced.

Oops, off-topic, who moderates this forum...

[NZ255]

It's good to go off topic, just as long as it's 'from topic'.

That's how conversations work...one thing leads to the next

[LMerraine]

QUOTE (toprob @ Apr 25 2010, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'd rather you you gave kiwis the money too...
With its small population, NZ is a rather unique FS market. I think I know every FS user in the country:) But NZ doesn't really fit the normal FSX scenery business model, in that nobody is going to make a fortune by producing NZ scenery. I try, and I'll continue to try until they prise the joystick (for slewing only) out of my cold dead hand -- or until the debt collectors are lined up at the door:)

But I'm aware that an Orbx NZ would make it uneconomical for me to release NZAA, for instance. Even the announcement a month ago that Orbx has plans for NZ reduced Real NZ sales by 70%. That's just the vapour, who knows what an actual product would do.

On the other hand, I think that this is the most exciting time to be in FSX development, and the main reason is VLC. Most people don't realise what a coup this is for NZ simmers. I personally think that it could be what we have all been waiting for, but I'm well aware that it's success isn't the sure thing it was before a vapourware Orbx NZ was announced.

Oops, off-topic, who moderates this forum...

Personally I don't think you're too far off topic to warrant it being a problem, and as probably the most noted seller of NZ scenery, you probably know what you're talking about.

Not really knowing what the Vector will do, I haven't really followed it, but I also believe that between VOZ and ORBX (fs9 & X) have really put Aussie on the map. I believe that there are indeed enough talented people in NZ to produce airports to their levels. So why can't they get on board and do them, and benefit from the Orbx framework.

I don't know the politics, but yes your sales have dropped off, but I believe if you produced airports for the Orbx (payware) NZ you would probably see an increase. People are lapping up whatever area they work in, so surely it should help if you work within that as well?

Again, this is an uneducated person talking...

[NZ255]

How far have you got to go on NZAA and NZCH?

The base NZ pack might be out next year or late this year, then a while (took 15 months to develop YBBN) before/if they release any airports.

Have you been looking at the topic at FTX?

It seems that people like your work but it's not detailed enough for them. Now it is sort of funny because they all love detail (heck you can read the small signs on some buildings) but they don't like low FPS.....

Anyway if you can increase texture quality and add more detail etc like the updated NZTG (very nice) then you may see more sales and interest.
I don't mean to tell you how to do your job but I don't want to see you pushed out the way when Orbx come to town.

And there's always the saying "if ya can't beat 'em join em"......?

[Adamski]

QUOTE (toprob @ Apr 25 2010, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oops, off-topic, who moderates this forum...

Not if you answer the original question [is ORBX YBBN the best scenery] as "no - VLC is/will be"

I'm sorry to hear your sales have been dented. As you say, there really aren't *that many* NZ simmers out there - and we [the simmers] need to keep you [the producers(s)] in business or we all lose out.

How about discounts for bona-fide NZFF members (or is there some sort of a conflict of interest problem)? There shouldn't be a single NZFFer without a complete set of your sceneries!

[toprob]

QUOTE (LMerraine @ Apr 25 2010, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't know the politics, but yes your sales have dropped off, but I believe if you produced airports for the Orbx (payware) NZ you would probably see an increase. People are lapping up whatever area they work in, so surely it should help if you work within that as well?

This sort of effect on my sales is more related to the tiny size of my business -- I see the same result when mortgage rates go up a point, or one of my products hits the pirate sites. This buffeting is only to be expected, and I quite enjoy the bumpy ride. I'm well aware that Orbx would be a great framework for NZ scenery, and that the world-wide interest would only help us.

QUOTE (NZ255 @ Apr 25 2010, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Have you been looking at the topic at FTX?

It seems that people like your work but it's not detailed enough for them. Now it is sort of funny because they all love detail (heck you can read the small signs on some buildings) but they don't like low FPS.....

Anyway if you can increase texture quality and add more detail etc like the updated NZTG (very nice) then you may see more sales and interest.
I don't mean to tell you how to do your job but I don't want to see you pushed out the way when Orbx come to town.

Yes, that's pretty much my business plan:) NZAA's progress depends on how you look at it -- I have some nice models, I have some really nice tarmac textures and markings, but there are about $2000 worth of resources which I'll have when I can raise the $2000:)

QUOTE (Adamski @ Apr 25 2010, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

:lol:

How about discounts for bona-fide NZFF members (or is there some sort of a conflict of interest problem)? There shouldn't be a single NZFFer without a complete set of your sceneries!

I've tried this before, with almost zero take-up, but I know what you mean. I have actually done some deals with individual NZFF members, those who are cheeky enough to ask.

[jastheace]

well i have installed the airport, done a quick flight around the airport (had to do a complete format and reinstall, after the damn ariane 737 removed alot of critical fsx files when i removed it, appears it doesn't live windows 7 much, another story)

i only flew the trike around with no traffic (installing UT2 as we speak) i have my frames locked at 35, with all options ticked in the control panel, max density with scenety objects, and normal autogen denisity i was dropping to between 15-20fps, which given that i struggle to get 25-30 frames with the default airport, espically looking at the city isn't too bad.

it seems that most of the people haveing issues are a: running windows XP, b: expecting far to much from the dual core system from three or four years ago, and C: want it all and want it now

i fall into the last catergory,

i will try and get some pics for you all to drool over this weekend for you all, both with everything turned up and with some detail turned off

Jason