My Traffic X

[Naki]

QUOTE (FlyingKiwi @ Nov 25 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've since started using World of AI, which while it currently doesn't have quite such a big variety of aircraft, nevertheless has enough to populate most of the world pretty heavily (and there are new airlines being added almost daily), the aircraft look so much vastly better than the MyTraffic ones it's not funny, and of course most importantly it's all free.

Same here - the aircaft and repaints are great - big job though installing everyting from scratch - I now have over 300 airlines flying around my sim and it looks fantastic.

[spongebob206]

Hey Guys,

I have GNZLAP and voz installed in FSX.
Few issues but nothing I can't handle.

Does the RNZAF package work in FSX. Have downloaded, but afraid to install.

Cheers

[BigBird]

Running World of AI here too. I disabled VOZAI as I was getting aircraft double ups. Only thing that annoys me with World of AI is that you can see straight through the cockpit windows on most aircraft. Would prefer if they were blocked in with grey or made to look like there was glazing. Not sure if there's a way to fix that...

[Njbb1995]

Come on Aerosoft thats pathetic... how could you expect someone to pay for that cr@p? I'm sorry for anyone who has brought that.

[NZ255]

Jon on ARNZ did a review on it and gave it the "Golden X"

????

[Adamski]

QUOTE (spongebob206 @ Nov 25 2008, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have GNZLAP and voz installed in FSX.
Few issues but nothing I can't handle.

Does the RNZAF package work in FSX. Have downloaded, but afraid to install.

I've been following this thread with interest. I have Ultimate Traffic and though it seems to do a fairly decent job in populating NZ (or world) skies, I'm having a hard time trying to tweak it - particularly for any *military* NZ traffic. Living not too far from Whenuapai, it's always such a disappointment to see it so deserted.

The UT interface is reasonably "slick" but I just can't get to add a "pseudo" airline (RNZAF) to which I could add P-3, 757 or C-130 flights. I gave up. Their forums weren't that helpful either. Perfectly friendly and all that (with frequent posts by the developers) but it was all a bit too much. No-one seems to be able to do a step-by-step guide on how to do it.

So ... I've been looking at alternatives. From diving into the MyTraffic forums, I can see that it's pretty "geeky" and requires a fair bit of "persuading" to do anything beyond the norm. The MyTraffic 5.2 FSX screenshots I've seen look as good as my UT aircraft (ie. kind of OK).

Same thing for World of AI. Does that need *massive* investments of time and effort to get convincing traffic? To be honest, I'd rather get to know how to programme the FMC properly - fly correct procedures etc. than to spend hours of precious time just adding average looking aircraft just for effect. Some of these add-ons are (IMHO) on the border of what I would call "professional/commercial" packages, so documentation is often poor. You get what you pay for - and I don't see any of these developers getting rich at our expense in this very niche market. I digress, but you only need to look at the specs of [Top]Rob's main PC to see he isn't exactly Howard Hughes.

[Later edit] Ooooops! This implies Rob's scenery are "borderline" ... which they absoulely are not. Product and after-sales are both 100% professional. I may not win screenshot comps, but do I get the "Brown Nose of the Month" award?

If anyone can produce localised NZ+military traffic relatively easily in anything other than UT, I'm all ears!!!

[ronindanbo]

QUOTE (NZ255 @ Nov 25 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Jon on ARNZ did a review on it and gave it the "Golden X"

????

what a joke

[Alex]

Hey Adamski, search for 'rnzafa1.zip' and 'rnzafa2.zip' on AVSIM for some AI packages "Charl and Co" did these up a wee while back.

Alex

[NormNZ]

QUOTE (ronindanbo @ Nov 25 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

what a joke

One should be a little careful and be sure that the same software is being spoken about.

Jon did a review of JustFlight's 'TrafficX'

'My Traffic X' apparently is sold by Aerosoft is by Burkhard Renk

Different software!!!!!!

Norm

[Adamski]

QUOTE (Alex @ Nov 25 2008, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hey Adamski, search for 'rnzafa1.zip' and 'rnzafa2.zip' on AVSIM for some AI packages "Charl and Co" did these up a wee while back.

Thanks for that, Alex (zooom ... off he goes to check). I had the impression that they may be for "World of AI" but I'll take a look and report back here.

Norm ... what can I say but "aarrrgh" ... I didn't realise that they were two separate products (thanks). I presumed they were both Renk's. Anyone done a comparison of those two?

[Alex]

I don't think so, but they were made for FS9. Which means that you'll be using them without the AFCADs they were made with if you are using FSX, so not sure how well they'll perform - Charl would be your chap to field that one.

Even then, reading the review, it's hard to think how the product got the "If you only buy one FS add-on in your lifetime, this should be it!" rating, seeing as the review is from a New Zealand-based website (with the NZ issues below...). I'll just quote a few lines from the review...

...I noted no Air NZ 737-300's operating domestically, neither did I see any ATR's or Q300's ... it appears the 767-200 and A320's are plying the main trunk, and the Saab 340 and B1900D the heartland feeder routes ... I also noted yellow Freedom 737's operating in quite large numbers.

I had Boeing 747's parked up in domestic gates, as were A330's, so there are clearly some parking size issues...

I was a little disappointed with many of the Qantas liveries, the tails in particular are average to say the least with the flying kangaroo a little all over the place on some of the skins such as the A330 and 737...

It was the Air New Zealand 787 that left me speechless ... it might be a nice concept for a mural paint scheme, this is simply not what the Air NZ 787's are going to look like...

I spotted a few 737-800's that were black ... so it looks like a texture assignment problem is going on for one or two airlines...

Again, probably a good idea to read the review in it's entirety, as I've just taken snippets from here and there. Though I am still suprised that this add-on was given the top rating possible by the guys given the flaws that have popped up.

Alex

[NormNZ]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Nov 25 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for that, Alex (zooom ... off he goes to check). I had the impression that they may be for "World of AI" but I'll take a look and report back here.

Norm ... what can I say but "aarrrgh" ... I didn't realise that they were two separate products (thanks). I presumed they were both Renk's. Anyone done a comparison of those two?

Haven't seen a comparison done but have read negative comments about My Traffic X.
Traffic x reads well here http://www.justflight.com/moreinfo.asp?pid=207 but????

CU

[Charl]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Nov 25 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

...If anyone can produce localised NZ+military traffic relatively easily in anything other than UT, I'm all ears!!!

Category: Flight Simulator 2004 - AI Flight Plans Royal New Zealand Air Force AI Package 1

Images related to this file:

• rnzafa1-1.jpg
• rnzafa1-2.jpg
• rnzafa1-3.jpg
• rnzafa1-4.jpg

File Description:
Complete AI package of aircraft and flightplans. Royal New Zealand Air Force aircraft including Boeing 757, C-130 Hercules, P-3 Orion, Kingair, and Iroquois helicopters. Repaints by Steve Jenks and Cees Melieste (B757), Callsigns by Keagan Garkeuken, Flightplans by Charl du Toit


Filename:rnzafa1.zipLicense:FreewareAdded:6th August 2007Downloads:1208Author:Compiled by Charl du ToitSize:8867kb



This should work OK in FSX.
The second RNZAF package is an airshow-type thing which relies on FS9 AFCADs for the whole thing to mesh, so would not produce the required result in FSX.

[NZ255]

QUOTE (NormNZ @ Nov 25 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

One should be a little careful and be sure that the same software is being spoken about.

Jon did a review of JustFlight's 'TrafficX'

'My Traffic X' apparently is sold by Aerosoft is by Burkhard Renk

Different software!!!!!!

Norm

Oh.....whoops! Thanks for catching me out...I should have checked before posting.

Nick

[Adamski]

Charl - thanks for making it so easy!! Files duly grabbed ... and will have a go shortly. Watch this space!

[FlyingKiwi]

Adamski - Regarding World of AI, it does take a bit of time (especially if you have a slower internet connection) because you have to download all the packages individually, but it's very straightforward - just a simple case of downloading the installer, and then downloading the packages and dragging and dropping them into the installer. Their forums are very helpful too - after I upgraded my PC recently I had a small problem with installing the WoAI packages (thanks Vista!) but on enquiring in the forums I got a helpful solution within an hour.

The one downside is that there are some noticeable "gaps" in the traffic - not all major airlines have been done yet, but as I said in my previous post they are constantly adding new ones, and there is a good mix of the major airlines that everyone knows, and many of the much more obscure ones, so you get a nice surprise sometimes when you're visiting airports. (they've just added the Antonov AN-12 to their lineup of aircraft and are making lots of packages for some of the more obscure cargo charter airlines of the world that have AN-12s, for example)

Basically, if I could sum it up:

+ Free
+ Easy
+ Constant updates
+ Fully compatible with both FS9 and FSX
+ Big variety of airlines, including some GA and military packages
+ Models all look great and behave properly (can't say I've noticed the window problem BigBird mentioned but maybe I haven't been paying attention)

- Somewhat time/bandwidth consuming
- Some noticeable aircraft and airline omissions, although I'm sure most will be added in future
- I've noticed a couple of strange flightplan errors, such as an Air New Zealand A320 on the ground at Auckland requesting IFR clearance to Auckland - that's certainly not a common problem though

[Adamski]

QUOTE (Charl @ Nov 25 2008, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Category: Flight Simulator 2004 - AI Flight Plans Royal New Zealand Air Force AI Package 1

Images related to this file:

• rnzafa1-1.jpg
• rnzafa1-2.jpg
• rnzafa1-3.jpg
• rnzafa1-4.jpg

File Description:
Complete AI package of aircraft and flightplans. Royal New Zealand Air Force aircraft including Boeing 757, C-130 Hercules, P-3 Orion, Kingair, and Iroquois helicopters. Repaints by Steve Jenks and Cees Melieste (B757), Callsigns by Keagan Garkeuken, Flightplans by Charl du Toit


Filename:rnzafa1.zipLicense:FreewareAdded:6th August 2007Downloads:1208Author:Compiled by Charl du ToitSize:8867kb



This should work OK in FSX.
The second RNZAF package is an airshow-type thing which relies on FS9 AFCADs for the whole thing to mesh, so would not produce the required result in FSX.

Charl - I gave these a whirl, thanks. Or rather the first one (so far)! I got B200's and P3's - though not sure what time the Hueys/Hercs <?> fly out. Yay! Quite nice looking models too. The only problem I have is that it knock out all my other AI traffic (Ultimate Traffic). I tried re-ordering and placing the bgls in different places, but always had the same side effect. I'm *way* out of my depth here, so am unsure what the problem could be. It could be a clash of AFCADs (I also have Rob's Auckland City running) or that the default Whenuapai AFCAD doesn't have the right parking slots ... dunno .. I'm guessing. Also the prop discs on the B200 were black (that old chestnut!!!).

Still - it sure was fun to fly alongside the Orion ;-)

[Adamski]

QUOTE (FlyingKiwi @ Nov 26 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Adamski - Regarding World of AI, it does take a bit of time (especially if you have a slower internet connection) because you have to download all the packages individually, but it's very straightforward - just a simple case of downloading the installer, and then downloading the packages and dragging and dropping them into the installer. Their forums are very helpful too - after I upgraded my PC recently I had a small problem with installing the WoAI packages (thanks Vista!) but on enquiring in the forums I got a helpful solution within an hour.

The one downside is that there are some noticeable "gaps" in the traffic - not all major airlines have been done yet, but as I said in my previous post they are constantly adding new ones, and there is a good mix of the major airlines that everyone knows, and many of the much more obscure ones, so you get a nice surprise sometimes when you're visiting airports. (they've just added the Antonov AN-12 to their lineup of aircraft and are making lots of packages for some of the more obscure cargo charter airlines of the world that have AN-12s, for example)

Basically, if I could sum it up:

+ Free
+ Easy
+ Constant updates
+ Fully compatible with both FS9 and FSX
+ Big variety of airlines, including some GA and military packages
+ Models all look great and behave properly (can't say I've noticed the window problem BigBird mentioned but maybe I haven't been paying attention)

- Somewhat time/bandwidth consuming
- Some noticeable aircraft and airline omissions, although I'm sure most will be added in future
- I've noticed a couple of strange flightplan errors, such as an Air New Zealand A320 on the ground at Auckland requesting IFR clearance to Auckland - that's certainly not a common problem though

Bandwidth should be OK - I already have to fork out a small fortune every month for my Internet work.

Considering there are also going to be omissions (bound to be, with something like this) ... how easy is it to "roll your own"? Specifially, if Iwanted to add 30 or so daily military flights to our few remaining air bases, could it be done(without having to get a PhD?)?

I suppose I have nothing to lose (but precious time) ... so could give it a try anyway. Find out for myself <?>.

[Adamski]

QUOTE (NormNZ @ Nov 25 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Haven't seen a comparison done but have read negative comments about My Traffic X.
Traffic x reads well here http://www.justflight.com/moreinfo.asp?pid=207 but????

Good review. So good, in fact, that I nearly hit the "Add to Basket" button there an then! Only the global financial crisis stopped me

I must admit Renk's MyTraffic seems fare badly in comparison. From what I've seen, it looks pretty geeky/hard to use. What used to be pretty horrific Visual Basic apps seem to have becme DotNet apps. As ever, though, if you can get the hang of it (the GUI I mean) it may end up being more powerful/flexible.

TrafficX seems to have much better models. However - one criticism I read was that it's *all* it does ... basically aircraft and airports ... and the actual *scheduling* isn't too hot. You can keep "Spotty" at home - I want decent *relaistic* timetables that add to the immersion factor of FSX. With my Ultimate Traffic, I sometimes have a dozen aircraft all lined up on top of each other on the same approach. Needless to say, 11 of them get the dreaded "go around".

Anyone here own TrafficX (FSX)? should I go for it? For the sake of NZFF?

[Charl]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Nov 26 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

... The only problem I have is that it knock out all my other AI traffic (Ultimate Traffic)...

What - ALL other traffic, or just at the miltary fields?
If the latter, it may just be a lack of parking spaces - AI disappears on landing if no parking.
It certainly should not interfere with civilian traffic.
FWIW did you read this thread?