First release? When? What

[Timmo]

I think it would be good to set some dates?

1) Announcing FRENZY to the world
2) Releasing the first version of data

The release date would be unpublished and would be more of an aim point...I, for one, dont work well without pressure....if something has a deadline Ill get it done otherwise I tend to dilly-dally a bit (hence why Whakatane STILL isnt released!)

Which leads to the next issue- How are going to release? What do we do with scenery once finished? Have we decided on the file naming conventions etc etc?

I spent the weekend taking photos of Parakai (which incidently has just had an AFCAD realeased by Scot Hickey), Spring Hill and Dairy Flat Airfields and have started modelling them. So, all going well, I should be able to release these plus Coromandel (complete) and Kiwi Fruit Country (although I still cant get the chain link fence to display properly

[Charl]

Wooo this is what local forums are meant to prevent...we might've tripped over each other at Parakai if I hadn't been so damn lazy, and stayed home on Sunday!
Lawrie is busy with Parakai for FS9,

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QUOTE (Charl @ Apr 17 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I may turn my attention to some of the Coromandel airfields next.

...and so I did.
...Lawrie has for some reason decided to do Parakai airfield, which could do with a little local texturing. Wouldn't it be nice to have FS water in the river adjacent, rathr than textured PR water? How does one "carve" out the tile along the river, to let the water show?[/quote]
so I'm sure he'd be keen to see some of your shots...
FRENZY is actually happening in an FS9 way, right under everyone's noses.
Search Lawrie Roache on AVSIM, and you will see 3 dozen or so airport sceneries for NZ...

There is nothing quite like getting on with the job, to get a job done.

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[LMerraine]

I'm not sure if I've seen it or not, but will ask. Has Lawrie given permission to use his airports in FRENZY - or are we going to have to reinvent the wheel.

[Charl]

No he hasn't - but I'm pretty sure if someone needed source material to reinvent the wheel, and Lawrie had some, he'd be willing to pass it on.
Freeware collaborations are not structured like large corporations.
They thrive on goodwill, osmosis, and success.
FRENZY will invent itself, with no deadlines, or pressure.
In fact, FRENZY doesn't even exist yet!
It will only be recognised as such when there is something tangible and interesting produced, which for lack of anything else, requires a label.
This sub-forum is its melting pot.

[LMerraine]

QUOTE (Charl @ Apr 21 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No he hasn't - but I'm pretty sure if someone needed source material to reinvent the wheel, and Lawrie had some, he'd be willing to pass it on.
Freeware collaborations are not structured like large corporations.
They thrive on goodwill, osmosis, and success.
FRENZY will invent itself, with no deadlines, or pressure.
In fact, FRENZY doesn't even exist yet!
It will only be recognised as such when there is something tangible and interesting produced, which for lack of anything else, requires a label.
This sub-forum is its melting pot.

I must admit I like Lawrie's work, and wish I could do something along his quality. I'm working on tons of little projects to hopefully get me to a level that I can contribute some scenery etc. It's a huge learning curve, but I love flying NZ, it's my home, even though I'm in Perth.

Frustrates me as I can't get to the airports etc.

I'm working on a Dunedin project [scrap the comment about googlearth - I can't release anything if it contains it ] so please bear with me, I will more than likely post all my screwups etc for the developers to laugh at, I mean critic

[Timmo]

Yeah Lawrie certainly is chewing through them!

I sent Lawrie my complete FSX Coromandel with source files to see if anything could be made for FS9 but havent heard anything back from him?

I also started a tutorial for using Sketchup (free) to make FS Scenery after I found a couple of scripts that claimed to export to 3ds.....alas, they dont work

Ok well, ill keep working on these three airfields....most are pretty simple. The difficulty with Parakai is that there isnt good google earth/maps/FrenzyMap imagery or LINZ Imagery so accurate placement of buildings will be hard....Which I guess is the beauty of FRENZY! (i.e. when it does become avaliable, simply go back to the archived source models, re write the XML with updated placement, re compiled and release

Im also (just so it is out there) intending to work on Whenuapai since that is now my local aero club.....however its a huge project! All ive done so far is taken source texture photos (and in the process almost got in trouble with the MP's ) and obtained some shots from above the base from a mate who is a parachute instructor there.

[Christian]

Charl is quite right when he says that FRENZY doesn't really exist yet (apart from this forum).

What this project really needs is someone to step up and take charge, however we all know our time limits so we'll just have to make do with what we have. I wish I had more time to push this ahead, but reality is that I don't.

But I don't think this is a big problem as long as we all remain good willed to contribute in one way or another.

What I like to see is collecting the existing airports as a first installer. I think Robin, Ian Lawrie, Timmo, Charl, Creator2003, HPC and myself have indicated that we'd donate our sceneries to FRENZY (at least in parts). What we really need is someone who can download and install the sceneries and package them up (while getting permissions) and then identify problems/issues...

Agreed?

Cheers,
Christian

[LMerraine]

Well any that are uploaded to my server, I'm quite happy to install and package up, that's not a problem. I just don't know who everyone is

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (Christian @ Apr 22 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What this project really needs is someone to step up and take charge, however we all know our time limits so we'll just have to make do with what we have. I wish I had more time to push this ahead, but reality is that I don't.

Probably a good time for me to pipe up here. Technically I am co-leading this team along with Andrew (aka Trolly) but a few things have happened since then. I was reluctant to be the sole team leader since I didn't really have the time to devote to this, but was happy to share it with Andrew. Alex who was co-admin of this site announced at the start of this year that he was handing this task over to Andrew, who subsequently doesn't have the free time to devote to leading FRENZY any longer.

I'm not sure if this was ever announced in here or not. I know that when Andrew first made me aware that things had changed here at NZFF I didn't want to spill it out in the forum and instead leave it for him to say in his own time. The thing from my angle is that I also don't have the time to lead this project single-handedly.

I just wanted to explain that so people don't think that both Andrew and I just faded away off the radar! I agree with Christian that this project will keep going as long as people remain good willed to contribute. We've got some really innovative people here and it's great to see people's work in the public forums as well.

[Charl]

There is a vague kinda package on the horizon.
For various reasons, it will be for FS9, uppermost being there is an awful lot to package, and blowall to package for FSX.
It will have sceneries, modified textures here and there, maybe some AI thrown in, special flights...who knows?
I reckon that is do-able, and will be an attractive bundle.
This takes time of course.
Meantime everyone has their own little interests, I want to do an AI Warbirds package next, but somehow don't get enough time...
This will have modified textures for RNZ Wanaka, custom a/c paints, "show-type" flightplans , maybe some custom flyables too.
Catalina is already doing TNG on the lake

[LMerraine]

Ok, I'm going to throw my oar in here and ask for ideas.

I don't really want to lead, but I want to see the ball running.

I'm going to find a list of default airports for NZ.

Then, if anyone can add to that list of who has already done some scenery that we know has given permission, where it can be downloaded - I'll then download it, and place it on the server for the developers to download as they require.

Like VOZ, not all airports need to be photoreal - but as long as they are better than default then we can start working on them.

So I'll get a list, and then post it, and then please if you know of a scenery that fits what we're looking for, then please post in that thread. I'll update the first message as I get the links etc.

Beside each airport I'll put either
Sourced = We have permission and it's been downloaded and tested.
Contact = Need to contact the author before going much further (Ideally lets get everything that we know we can use first.)
In Progress = Someone is working on this for FRENZY.
Vacant = No-one that we know is working on it.

Also as some people are good with AFCADS and some with modelling etc, if you can help with a specific part of an airport, please state which, and what part.

What does everyone think?

[ardypilot]

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I'm not sure if this was ever announced in here or not. I know that when Andrew first made me aware that things had changed here at NZFF I didn't want to spill it out in the forum and instead leave it for him to say in his own time. The thing from my angle is that I also don't have the time to lead this project single-handedly.[/quote]
Ah yes- NZFF will be maintained by Alex while I am away from July to December, he is taking care of the hosting and upgrade, so there will still be a base for FRENZY

[Charl]

QUOTE (LMerraine @ Apr 22 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Beside each airport I'll put either
Sourced = We have permission and it's been downloaded and tested.
Contact = Need to contact the author before going much further (Ideally lets get everything that we know we can use first.)
In Progress = Someone is working on this for FRENZY.
Vacant = No-one that we know is working on it.
Also as some people are good with AFCADS and some with modelling etc, if you can help with a specific part of an airport, please state which, and what part.
What does everyone think?

Sure thing - start with this list

[Christian]

QUOTE (LMerraine @ Apr 27 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm going to find a list of default airports for NZ.

Beside each airport I'll put either
Sourced = We have permission and it's been downloaded and tested.
Contact = Need to contact the author before going much further (Ideally lets get everything that we know we can use first.)
In Progress = Someone is working on this for FRENZY.
Vacant = No-one that we know is working on it.

What does everyone think?

Thanks for taking the initiative! Agree with everything you wrote, excellent.

A suggestion would maybe to state if the airports are FS9 or FSX compatible. This way we can have two versions and identify that need work to port them to FSX.

[LMerraine]

QUOTE (Christian @ Apr 23 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for taking the initiative! Agree with everything you wrote, excellent.

A suggestion would maybe to state if the airports are FS9 or FSX compatible. This way we can have two versions and identify that need work to port them to FSX.

Yeah good, point, as I'm not in any real position to really test any FSX scenery.