Whitianga

[ilovetofly]

After installing Lawrie's Whitianga airport scenery, I experienced a massive frame drop from 29 fps to 4-9 fps upon approaching the airfield. As I fly around without the airfield in view I still maintain 29+ fps, but the moment it comes into view, frames drop to a slide show. If I look 90* left or right, back up to 29+ fps, then look toward the airfield, back to stutters. ( I uae TrackIr4). After passing over the airfield, fps are back up.

This has occured using the scenery for the 2004 version. I then tried the photo real scenery by Robin Corn and again frame rates drop on approaching the airfield even without the airfield scenery. Tried it with Lawrie's scenery made for the godzone scenery, still mssive frame drops. Removed both the godzone and airfield sceneries and no drop in the frame rate. This hasn't occured with his other sceneries.

Also I checked for dupes in the AFCADS and sceneries and removed them without any success. Any ideas as to what may be causing this?

Thanks for any suggestions. By the way, I installed the revised textures by Sidney Schwartz, so I don't believe it's related to incompatable textures as all the other 'blurry' problems have dissappeared.

Jim D.

[creator2003]

Yup ,alot of people have had these problems and its down to acouple of textures that are for some of the objects lawrie uses ,there now is a replacment texture set for these,http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6085

also take a look at some other posts from lawries part of the forum http://nzff.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=30
there are lots of little things that will help you in there ,,
dont worry your about 10min away from having your FLPs back

[ilovetofly]

QUOTE (creator2003 @ Mar 5 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yup ,alot of people have had these problems and its down to acouple of textures that are for some of the objects lawrie uses ,there now is a replacment texture set for these,http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6085

also take a look at some other posts from lawries part of the forum http://nzff.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=30
there are lots of little things that will help you in there ,,
dont worry your about 10min away from having your FLPs back

Thanks for your reply, but as I mentioned, all those steps regarding the replacement textures and other things mention in the forum were considered and tried. This has nothing to do with textures, only frame rates, and ONLY when the airfield is in the line of view.
Jim D.

[Charl]

Jim try taking out the fences - anything with "fce" in it, and rename e.g. NZWT_MshFce.bak
If that doesn't do it, run a file duplicate search utility - there are several - on the entire FS folder.
Even if you don't have FPS trouble you'll be surprised how many dupes you have, and this will smooth up the display and load times.

[Bazza]

I took Charl's advice re searching out duplicate files and need some help to get my head around the results... I scanned my Addon Scenery files.

There are a huge amount of duplicated AGN files between my Queenstown Airport and Boston Logan airport.....

1. Are AGN files a problem when duplicated ?


There are a very large number of duplicated BMP files between my Queenstown and Queenstown Airport, are both lots required...?

There are also a large number of other BMP duplicates, one example is : AB fences.bmp in both Addon Scenery Textures and Addon Scenery\Static Objects Library\Textures. Should one of these be chopped, if so which one ?

Another example is Airbuild.bmp, both in Addon Scenery \ Hokitika 2004\Textures and HamiltonNZ \ Textures.

These latter 2 examples are merely two of possibly 100.

I would stress that I am not having any problems at the moment, having got rid of the "blurries" some time back. However, if these duplicates could be slowing things down a bit, I could set aside a rainy day and start removing, provided I'm not going to stuff things up - just remembering the old adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

[ilovetofly]

You can remove them if you wish and keep your textures in the Object Library. In fact Lawrie doesn't put textures in his most recent sceneries, but has you download them and put them in the library. But if your frame rates are good and you have no issues, then don't risk it. If you find that a certain texture is missing in a particular scenery, that could be caused by a double texture file or a texture not in the library.

Jim D.

[ilovetofly]

QUOTE (Charl @ Mar 5 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Jim try taking out the fences - anything with "fce" in it, and rename e.g. NZWT_MshFce.bak
If that doesn't do it, run a file duplicate search utility - there are several - on the entire FS folder.
Even if you don't have FPS trouble you'll be surprised how many dupes you have, and this will smooth up the display and load times.

That could be the case with the fence textures but it is not causing problems in other sceneries. Maybe it is a specific one used, but again, why only here at Whitianga am I having FPS problems and only when the airfield is in the line of sight?

I'll post my findings when I can.

Jim D.

[creator2003]

Heres another idea ,not sure if lawrie did some micro meshing with the afcad ,but i did try this out with hamilton scenery i was making and my flps dropped by half ..
it would be ezy to workout if you just removed the afcad for a test ..
if not oh well back to the drawing board ....

[ilovetofly]

QUOTE (ilovetofly @ Mar 6 2008, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That could be the case with the fence textures but it is not causing problems in other sceneries. Maybe it is a specific one used, but again, why only here at Whitianga am I having FPS problems and only when the airfield is in the line of sight?

I'll post my findings when I can.

Jim D.

Now it occurred at Taupo. FPS dropped to 7-8 but was managable for landing. On taxi back along RWY 17, fps again was 29+ when looking to the SE but drop to 7-8 when looking SW toward the hangers (appx. 260*) My initial suspicion is that some textures used in the bldgs. may cause the drop. Maybe these need to be redone as Sidney Schwartz did which cured problems at other airports.

'll try the AFCAD thing thoughand see if that works. But I'm more suspicious of the textures.

Jim D.

[Snowman]

QUOTE (ilovetofly @ Mar 7 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Now it occurred at Taupo. FPS dropped to 7-8 but was managable for landing. On taxi back along RWY 17, fps again was 29+ when looking to the SE but drop to 7-8 when looking SW toward the hangers (appx. 260*) My initial suspicion is that some textures used in the bldgs. may cause the drop. Maybe these need to be redone as Sidney Schwartz did which cured problems at other airports.

'll try the AFCAD thing thoughand see if that works. But I'm more suspicious of the textures.

Jim D.

I also have my suspicions in the texture department, but these ones that im thinking of are NOT by Sidney Schwartz.

At NZWT Whitianga, temporarily remove the filename NZWT_AerClb.bgl from Whitianga's "Scenery" folder and see what results you get...............

At NZAP Taupo, temporarily remove the filname NZAP_TrmBdg.bgl from Taupo's "Scenery" folder, and see what results you get in the way of fps changes.............

Both these buildings share the same textures from an object library by Lou Frost.

I always figured Taupo might produce some fps problems on some peoples machines (particularly older or slower machines), as there are such a large number of objects in the scenery.
Likewise for the Tauranga Airport scenery i have just released.

Lawrie.

[ilovetofly]

Lawrie,
I followed you suggestion regarding Taupo, but the results were the same. A drop in frame rates esp. when the hangers are in view. I'll attempt removing several blg files and test it to see if I see any improvement in the fps.
Jim D.

[Snowman]

QUOTE (ilovetofly @ Mar 7 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lawrie,
I followed you suggestion regarding Taupo, but the results were the same. A drop in frame rates esp. when the hangers are in view. I'll attempt removing several blg files and test it to see if I see any improvement in the fps.
Jim D.

Thanks Jim,.............. i would be really interested in finding out, as i dont have any low fps probs with either NZAP or NZWT in mine.
Kind of hard to test out whats causing something like that, when your not actually having a problem with it..............

Lawrie.

[ilovetofly]

G'day Lawrie,

I just finished testing the problem A Taupo and it seems that the fences have the greatest effects on the fps's. Esp. the NZAP_NthHngFce.bgl. When all fence bgl's are in the scenery, my frames drop to 8+ and with the one mentioned out of the scenery, frames drop to about 15 which is not too noticible although not as smooth as 29+. So my unoffical testing points to the aformentioned bgl/tewxture.

I'll test it out on the other airfield and post here again. Hope this helps.

Jim D.

p.s. I appreciate your sceneries very much. Although I live in California, USA, my wife and I visited NZ a few years ago and loved the country. Spent most of the 10 days there on the S. island. Maybe next time we'll visit more of the N. island.

[Snowman]

QUOTE (ilovetofly @ Mar 8 2008, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

G'day Lawrie,

I just finished testing the problem A Taupo and it seems that the fences have the greatest effects on the fps's. Esp. the NZAP_NthHngFce.bgl. When all fence bgl's are in the scenery, my frames drop to 8+ and with the one mentioned out of the scenery, frames drop to about 15 which is not too noticible although not as smooth as 29+. So my unoffical testing points to the aformentioned bgl/tewxture.

I'll test it out on the other airfield and post here again. Hope this helps.

Jim D.

p.s. I appreciate your sceneries very much. Although I live in California, USA, my wife and I visited NZ a few years ago and loved the country. Spent most of the 10 days there on the S. island. Maybe next time we'll visit more of the N. island.

Hi there Jim.

Yes, fences and static planes and static vehicles are usually the biggest fps killers in any scenery.
In this case, the fence you mentioned is a metal-mesh fence, and metal fences can be the worst, although it depends on your setup as well (cpu, ram, video card etc) as to how much of a problem it creates. Some peoples setups are not bothered by them at all.
If youre having low fps problems in any of my sceneries, look for any .bgl filenames ending with Fce ( ie: NZXX_XxxFce.bgl ) where the "X" will be other letters of a name, and the "Fce" indicates a fence, and remove them one by one from any given scenery, and see what improvements you get.
Also, if you suffer from any "Blurries" ( blurry out of focus textures) at any of my sceneries, have a look at the following post for non-blurry texture replacements,...............

http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6085

Lawrie.

[ilovetofly]

Hi again Lawrie,

Just finished testing the Whitianga scenery, the godzone version with your airfield for godzone, and the fences again caused the drop in the fps's. The worst is the NZWT_MshFce.bgl which reduced fps's to 8+ while the NZWY_BdyFce.blg reduces it to 12-15. But it's nice to have the field fences to outline the runways, so I can live with that reduction since it isn't too jerky.

So that goes along with what you said, remove offending fence files and everything should work fine, or at least acceptable. That depends ofcourse on the user.

Jim D.

My system specs are E6600 dual core 2.40 ghz cpu, EVGA 8600 GT Superclocked video card, SATA drives.

[Snowman]

QUOTE (ilovetofly @ Mar 8 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi again Lawrie,

Just finished testing the Whitianga scenery, the godzone version with your airfield for godzone, and the fences again caused the drop in the fps's. The worst is the NZWT_MshFce.bgl which reduced fps's to 8+ while the NZWY_BdyFce.blg reduces it to 12-15. But it's nice to have the field fences to outline the runways, so I can live with that reduction since it isn't too jerky.

So that goes along with what you said, remove offending fence files and everything should work fine, or at least acceptable. That depends ofcourse on the user.

Jim D.

My system specs are E6600 dual core 2.40 ghz cpu, EVGA 8600 GT Superclocked video card, SATA drives.

Yep, its usually the metal mesh fences that are the fps killers, the wooden fences dont seem to have that much effect.
Although, most of the fences have no effect at all in my sim,............ surprising really when you consider my machine is 4 years old.......... AMD Athlon XP-3400+ (single core) CPU , 2gb DDR-400 RAM, 256mb ATI Radeon X-800 Video Card, SATA drives.
Yours is obviously a lot newer..............................

Lawrie.