Sukhoi Rulz

[Charl]

(Thanks AJ!)
THE SU--30MK RUSSIAN FIGHTER --
The unbelievable manoeverability of this fighter due to the use of vectored thrust, whereby the pilot can vary the direction of the two engine's exhausts so as to supplement the elevators, rudders, and ailerons at low speeds .
The nozzles from the rear of the engines can be directionally moved around by the pilot.
http://www.crazyaviation.com/movies/CA_SU-30.wmv

[ZK-Brock]

I wonder how they control the engine direction, with some sort of dual-joystick system?

[Matlo]

I know the Harrier jumpjet controls the direction of the jet with a control next to the thrust lever. But as this was mainly for VTOL take off and landings, I presume the Sukhoi have a different system (computer controlled maybe?? like traction control on a sports car??? )

[Matlo]

Ahh, after a quick web search, I turned up this... with regards SU37

"The thrust vector control is fully integrated into the digital flight control system. The TVC nozzle can be deflected both synchronously and differentially, depending on manoeuvre. The nozzle is connected to the annular swivel and can be moved in the pitch plane by two pairs of hydraulic jacks. The thrust vector control allows manoeuvres at speeds nearing zero without angle-of-attack limitations. The vectoring controls can be operated manually by the pilot or automatically by the flight control system."

Text was from...

http://www.cortland.edu/ace/ace03/pavelN/Su37.html


regards,

Craig

[Ian Warren]

I read an article on a twist grip HOTAS , more less a hat-key on the throttle , if that was'nt enough going into combat against that amazin Demo is the rearward firing AAM's ? , whether they enter'd service , not sure or even use , but sure they would'nt need them if that pilot was in front off u

[mailman]

Hmmmm, there was some talk that rear facing AAM's were a dead duck due to the forces that would be acting on the missile at moment of launch etc?

Also I doubt the Su37 will ever enter in to large scale production use within the Soviet Union simply because they dont have any money.

Back in 2005 I went to the Paris Airshow and watched the Su27 in action! It rocked! Was it the year before (or the year before that) that they crashed one of their beautiful Su's at Paris?















Regards

Mailman

[SUBS17]

I read an article on a twist grip HOTAS , more less a hat-key on the throttle , if that was'nt enough going into combat against that amazin Demo is the rearward firing AAM's ? , whether they enter'd service , not sure or even use , but sure they would'nt need them if that pilot was in front off u

The Israelis have made a missile called the Python 5 which can be launched at aircraft behind you. So long as the pilot can see the bandit he can launch. The Python 5 features LOAL (Lock On After Launch). He uses a helmet sight to lockon to the other aircraft. Russia has experimented with rear ward facing guns for the SU25 during Afghanistan.

[Charl]

Great pics mailman, that third one is what the Flanker's all about, for me.

Back in 2005 I went to the Paris Airshow and watched the Su27 in action! It rocked! Was it the year before (or the year before that) that they crashed one of their beautiful Su's at Paris?

They seemed to do this all the time at one point, generally demonstrating their excellent 0/0 ejection seat capability.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/mi ... ain/45253/

The FS models are excellent (freeware and payware) and allow you to do Cobra manoevres etc.
I think I still have a FS Flanker movie on Flightsim TV showing this.
I remember a Strike Eagle driver commenting at an airshow that he'd prefer not to engage with one of these by choice.

[SUBS17]

Heres a link to a report on a recent SU27 crash where the aircraft crashed into a crowd killing alot of people. So warning some of the video is quite graphic on some of the video links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_airshow_disaster

(Charls link is the same incident)

[SUBS17]

The FS models are excellent (freeware and payware) and allow you to do Cobra manoevres etc.
I think I still have a FS Flanker movie on Flightsim TV showing this.
I remember a Strike Eagle driver commenting at an airshow that he'd prefer not to engage with one of these by choice.

The best flight models for Russian aircraft are on Lockon Flaming cliffs as it models the aircrafts performance more realistically. The main areas are the subtle aspects of the aircrafts performance and handling(also because the makers of FC are in Russia and live not far from Sukhoi). We're talking g-loc, CoG, High Alpha and twin engine behaviour plus a more realistic damage model.(FS doesn't have this ability) As for the comments by the Strike Eagle driver thats not surprising considering the SUs manouverability however there have been a couple of actual engagements between SU27s and western aircraft. A couple of years ago 2 Israeli F-15s were escorting a 767 that was doing electronic survailence on the border with Lebanon when 2 Syrian SU27s tried to intercept the 767. Both SU27s were shot down with IR missiles in a fight that lasted less than a minute. Another incident which was back when the SU27 first came into service a NATO P3 orion was conducting a patrol in the Atlantic when 2 SU27s showed up and began harrassing the aircraft. Well they just so happened to be near a Carrier Group so 2 F-14s were launched to sort the problem out. The F-14s merged with the 27s and got on their 6 o'clock after some manouvering which shocked the Russian pilots and they broke off.

[Charl]

2 Syrian SU27s tried to intercept the 767. Both SU27s were shot down with IR missiles in a fight that lasted less than a minute.

Situation normal
25 years ago Israel scored 86-Nil against Syrian MiGs.
Takes more than just hardware to assemble a fighting force.