The Soviets are invading!

[Ian Warren]

Trolly 1988 was first i saw this thing display , at the time it was a F2/F3 series , again to see it stablemate the GR4 on a low level pass 2001 .. WOW ..super impressive

[Snowman]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Dec 28 2007, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That s a pretty Connie these things were using the same engines as a Douglas C133 Cargomaster , with a sound footprint more to the TU114/TU20 /95 Bear . for there day they were setting speed records , 480-490 mph , altho the TU114s surpassed it buy typical 540 mph .
These aircraft were fitted with the Alison engine of P3/C130 in era with the USAF were lookin for transport replacement , Boeing won with the C135/KC135 s.

Cool plane Lawrie , Id better get and take it for test

Yep, the 4 of them were the actual P&W T-34 Turboprop flying test-beds for the C-133 Cargomaster program.
With engines designed for a huge heavy lifter the size of a C-133, its no wonder they took away the speed records for prop driven aircraft of the era,............ The difference in weight and size between a Constellation and a C-133 Cargomaster..........
Well worth downloading and taking for a spin Ian,................ wonder what this thing would look like with a PanAm or TWA or BOAC paintjob of the era............... Would have made a fast pax mover for the time !!........... Easily compare with some of the early Jet Airliners................

Lawrie.

[Ian Warren]

LAWRIE Thanx for Heads Up

This like their STARLINER was in a time were the OOOOOooooss went to the Comet and 707 , it would suit the TWA Scheme

Come to think, would suit the VXE6 Phoenix R7V-1P paint , A regular visitor to Christchurch during Operation Deep Freeze 1963-1971 .
I must contact Manfred Jahn and if there are any more planned versions , updates/ VC .

[Snowman]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Dec 28 2007, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

LAWRIE Thanx for Heads Up
This like their STARLINER was in a time were the OOOOOooooss went to the Comet and 707 , it would suit the TWA Scheme
Come to think, would suit the VXE6 Phoenix R7V-1P paint , A regular visitor to Christchurch during Operation Deep Freeze 1963-1971 .
I must contact Manfred Jahn and if there are any more planned versions , updates/ VC .

Yes yes ................ more versions, updates, paint schemes.......................
Its a really nice model isnt it !! Gotta one of the better Connie's around !!

Lawrie.

[Charl]

Speaking of big engines"¦
What's this then?
A major accident at Picton??

'Ave to get a bit closer"¦

Aahh.. it's the Convair XFY Pogo!

You've never heard of it?
Neither had I, until this wacky tailsitter model appeared on Flightsim.com.
While Americans were digging their nuclear fallout shelters in the early '50s, aeronautical engineers were figuring out better ways of outwitting the Soviets.
This turned out not to be one of them.

See, there was this issue with not having any spoilers or airbrakes"¦once the transition was made to horizontal flight, there was no real way to slow down.
There were other issues (Wiki quote): "Landing was also a problem, as the pilot had to look back behind himself during a landing to properly stabilize the craft. Due to these problems, the XFY Project was put on hiatus."
So the long road to the VTOL Osprey was started.
Low-level flyby's must've been tricky too, you had to remember it had to happen at 45 degrees bank.

But no parking problem for this bird "“ must've seemed a real strategic plus to some"¦

There's more proof this stuff actually happened, over at Youtube

[Naki]

Lawrie - didnt know there was a turboprop version of the Connielet alone a FS model of it! Looks rather good.

Wow a Pogo stick! - nice shots Charl - must of been a really noisy beast! How does the FS model fly - can you land it vertically?

I am having some PC issues (again! - this time with FS itself) - hence why I havent posted some shots. I thnk they are now fixed so will post soon, although a reinstall of FS is looking likely already.

[Charl]

QUOTE (Naki @ Dec 29 2007, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lawrie - didnt know there was a turboprop version of the Connielet alone a FS model of it! Looks rather good.

There's a patch which fixes a few issues - bleedthrough etc

QUOTE

Wow a Pogo stick! - nice shots Charl - must of been a really noisy beast! How does the FS model fly - can you land it vertically?[/quote]Very strange model - didn't even try...

[Ian Warren]

The Convair XFY Pogo hell beast in level flight , some old video footage shows one leaving the chase plane behind , recall only a T33 , and getting to speed excess of 600 mph . the one thing they should have considered ,was to have the pilot seat rotate to during landing transition , the energy and consertration required to do a landing , had they put the pilot level pegged to the horizon something may have come off it , just be one funny shaped helicopter

[FlyingKiwi]

I think the potential to get it all horribly wrong in that Pogo would be pretty huge!

[Snowman]

Another unusual and very rare military aircraft,....................... known as "The Forgotten Douglas".
The Douglas DC-5 / R3-D / C-110..........
The original prototype was actually sold to William Boeing !! There are no known surviving examples of the type today.




















Lawrie.

[Ian Warren]

LAWRIE , LAWRIE .... COLD WAR ! .... not The OLD WAR ,................. mind u ? they seemed to disappear PRITY QUICK .... maybe the Russians do have them

[Alex]

Also with the pogo (was actually read some things about it the other day by coincidence), if it was landed at too high a descent rate it had a tendancy to bounce in an extremely unstable way (i.e. tip over), and also that if the engine failed on departure/landing it was tricky to get down, as you can't autorotate it as you can a helicopter...

But a neat idea for sure, and you've shown it off nicely there Charl.

Alex

[Naki]

.. didnt the prop go supersonic on the Pogo making it deafening?

Hey Trolly the Torando makes the cut for the Cold War - it was around in the 80s and flying as prototype for most of the 70s (entered service in GR form in the very late 70s). Nice shots by the way.

[Snowman]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Dec 29 2007, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

LAWRIE , LAWRIE .... COLD WAR ! .... not The OLD WAR ,................. mind u ? they seemed to disappear PRITY QUICK .... maybe the Russians do have them

Heh heh................. yeah,... i know,.............. i just couldnt resist. Found it lurking in the back of one of my hangers covered in dust,.............. forgotten i even had it............

Lawrie.

[Fauville]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jan 1 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Trolly 1988 was first i saw this thing display , at the time it was a F2/F3 series , again to see it stablemate the GR4 on a low level pass 2001 .. WOW ..super impressive

Saw one (F2) display at Duxford in '97, not the longest runway, but with the burners on had no trouble getting airborne with runway to spare, and saw a couple of GR's lowlevel in the scottish highlands 'flash' across the road between valleys, quite a site.

Here's the stable mate of the F series, although well updated since the original GR.1 Cold War original, in this case a GR.4 of 617 (Dambusters) Sqn

[Ian Warren]

Fauville then it was gone , its good to have a flight come across the airfield at max/swept ....Wham! airbrake out ,preform tight reverse tun and head out the way it came , followed by the F111 , ... a great way to compare aircraft .

With Snowman digging up the old , 'Douglas' had the C124 Globemaster 2 , this type was in at the start and survived to the middle of the cold war ( 1948-1989)


Many of these aircraft were based in Christchurch during Operation Deep Freeze , the early days polished metal without the radome , later aircraft painted with standard day-glo orange/red . The many Cold War aircraft types that have visited Christchurch , be quite an amazing list , from both sides and different nationality's . the end of its days the Globemaster,s sat on the grass verge along the eastern end of Rwy 29/11 closer to Avonhead-Ryans road corner 1969 before returning to the US. Its replacement the Lockheed C141A Starlifter.


first arriving in 1965 , history tells the rest

off course , October 31st 1979 ... the first real emergency at NZCH

Time changed the Starlifter from A/B/C model with the 'B' stretched , inflight refuel



I believe this modification increased the fleet by another 80 aircraft , utilizing the planes performance


early 80s saw the European one or lizard Green 'camo'

gone are the camos , low vis grey ,

second season gone , no Starlifters

so ends another Cold War Airlifter
Model is by Alphasim , very old , requires upgrade

[Charl]

Haha Ian I love that pic of yours depicting the lost undercarriage!
Real dedication, sawing it off in the sim for us...
Who makes the Globemaster model, doesn't look too shabby.
Was it ever used for civvy pax?

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Charl @ Dec 30 2007, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Haha Ian I love that pic of yours depicting the lost undercarriage!
Real dedication, sawing it off in the sim for us...
Who makes the Globemaster model, doesn't look too shabby.
Was it ever used for civvy pax?

Damm sore arm cutting that gear , 365 blades (old srceen shot compo pic), If you have a chance to crawl into a wheel well ! YIP , not anymore with the C141 but maybe the C5, you will be amazed
I recall the C124 model was FSBerlin , a FS2000/2002 model , not so good with FS9
PAX carriers - Globemaster 1 & 2's , early days Pam Am were looking at four types , Korean War changed ideas and other later designs , then came the 707

[Naki]

Heres a popular aircraft from the 50s and that served with some airforces well into the 80s -the F-84F Thunderstreak.

Derived from straight wing F-84 which served in the Korean war.

2713 were built with 450 going to the Luftwaffe. Orginally designed for the nuclear strike role but was used more commonly in the conventional strike role. Many NATO countries used the Thunderstreak including Turkey, France, Greece, West Germany, Belguim, Neatherlands, Portugal, Norway, Denmark, Italy and of course the USAF. Non Nato users included Taiwan, Iran, Thailand and Yugoslavia

USAF F-84F based in the UK in 1957




USAF F-84F based in Lousiana in 1957


USAF F-84F of the Missouri Air Guard based in France during the 1961 Berlin Crisis


French Air Force F-84F based in Israel during the 1956 Suez Crisis


USAF RF-84F Recce Thunderflash (note solid nose) based in Japan in 1958 used for recce flights over North Korea and China


USAF RF-84F Recce Thunderflash based in W Germany in 1956 - this aircaft eventually ended up in Luftwaffe service

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Naki @ Dec 29 2007, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

.. didnt the prop go supersonic on the Pogo making it deafening?

Arr PAUL , I got it , the most noise,st fighter ever built , couple only made ,based from this design , rather the open intake in the nose had a contra/prop on the nose , built on the F-84 Thunderstreak with other mods . Great Plane