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Postby Fauville » Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:18 pm

Great looking shots Ian, I believe Brian Franklin of Simshed fame (some excellent freeware british military aircraft) is part of the skysim designers team

Also from the same era as the Sea Vixen (and this model is from Simshed), mainly used by the british as a trainer (but used to great effect by the Indian airforce to shoot down several Pakistani Sabre 6's in 1965) and as the first aircraft for the Red Arrows

Folland Gnat T.1


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Postby Ian Warren » Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:48 pm

Fauville Ajeet/Sabre slayer .. course a Gnat .. and to the movie nutters , Topper Harlerys Steed of 'HOTSHOTS' the meanest numb-nuts plane out their :blink: ooh thats gotta hurt :lol:
Red Arrow fame also has NZ connection , The Late Ray Hanna , being the first leader , or may need further research , but a founder , with sonand also late Mark Hanna ( our fav warbird/wanaka airman) joining RAF to serve in post Falkland War with believe 56squd(research on squadron no' required ) using phatoms out of Stanley .
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Postby Charl » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:19 pm

Nice Gnat FV.
I nipped over to Simshed, since you mentioned it, and grabbed the Tucano!

That the Millau viaduct in #2? Long way from home, then...
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Postby Fauville » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:09 pm

Ian, indeed correct regarding Ray Hanna/Red Arrows, Mark Hanna did serve with the 'Firebirds' and done a tour with No. 1345 Flight from Mount Pleasant, FI on the FGR.2's

Charl, yes viaduc de millau, I'm doing a bit of a tour of my wifes homeland, actually drove over it in 2005 not longer after it was opened, incredible structure
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Postby Ian Warren » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:27 pm

The TANKERS , VC10 to KC-10 and a KDC-10



The VC-10 in the RAF also operates another type , the Lockheed Tristar in simular operation as KC-10 in support and transport .



The RNAF sum this up with keeping the aircraft readied with ability to become troop transport



This the CLS model can also be remodeled with the INS , Inertial Navigation System , with instruct on how to use

Off course we can't miss this , 1986 was possibly the first time these tankers hit the News

Based of the 30/40F series





Funny to see one on the ramp in Melbourne , Bright Colour airlines , with a Dark Slate Grey 10 :)





Time to head home :plane:
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Postby Charl » Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:06 pm

Love the KC-10, aggressive lines.
The Tristar always looked like an also-ran.
Tankers make a good repository for failed airliners though.

Especially if you've just made the World's Ugliest Aircraft.
A Turner & Burner: Boeing KC-97 over Andrews AFB

To save a bit of loading time, I've dropped the rest in a slideshow: (use "full size" for best effect}

The Wingman/Naki WT Encyclopaedia will no doubt determine whether this was the very first tanker, but Boeing certainly invented the flying boom

Couple more Kodachrome-type slides here:


The model is originally Greg Pepper's, and turned up as a tanker on Flightsim recently.
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Postby Naki » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:51 pm

Love the Gnat Fauville - apparently a very nice plane to fly

That VC-10 model (Maltby one?) looks good Ian as does the big 10.

The KC-97 was one of the first but the KB-50 was also around at the same time. I thought the KB 50 might of beat the KC-97 to service but apparrently not - the tanker version of the B-29, the KB-29 however did by a couple or so years. The KC-97 was derived from the Stratocruiser which was derived from the B-50/29 family.

The RAF also has Lancaster and Lincoln tankers in the late 40s and early 50s but they obviously didnt have the boom system (and there were even earlier experiments than that going back to the 20s and 30s)

Must get some some more screen shots up - maybe tonight.
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Postby chopper_nut » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:36 pm

Nice shots Charl, reminds me of that Jimmy Stewart movie 'Strategic Air Command' One of the best flying films ever.
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Postby ardypilot » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:42 am

I was scared this mighty wealth of screenshots was going to escape from beyond the 'page 1' reach of my mouse wheel scroller, but it's truly great to see this thread kicking back into action, I absolutely love the B-47 and tanker shots there Charl! :drool:
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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:06 pm

The Tankers , Charl , this model, hecks forgot Greg Pepper and Tim Gibson, latest also has enchanced cockpit surround , well worth the download , I searched the model and reinstalled it , this plane is growning in detail as time ticks .. 2002-2004 it gets better ! :thumbup: my only gripe , ya snaffued the last well known "Turner & Burner" or is there more out there :ph43r:

Naki , The VC-10 payware by ABCUS/Addictive Simulations , but this has stood the test of time 2002-FS9 -FSX and still workin well

During the day researching other wicked Russian bombers i found a flew doco,s on our favourite thread starter the Tupolev TU22 Blinder

ok .. had some issue's with handling ,

Take a few hours to get the feel , find its quirks

It can go this way :unsure:

that way

once you sort out the controls / dials / layout

You have to have an interest in this type , when you get good with this one .... :unsure:

it would be nice with a good Middle East skin - Libya / Iraq ...less maintained paint



I would not say ugly .... MORE MEAN! :angry:

OK , two on top , ..... yip this is what made this design so ... did they really use it :blink: , early this thread SUBS17 pointed out the Myasishchev M50 BOUNDER



Long wide approach to any airfield required , this is not a 737 , once you have had it for a while , <_<

This thing is WICKED through the New Zealand terrain and valleys

lotta people hate it , lotta fun learning about it

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Postby FlyingKiwi » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:11 am

That looks really great! I believe in real life they weren't a crew favourite, had some build quality issues I think, more to do with the avionics than the actual airframe.
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Postby Naki » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:16 am

Nice shots Ian!

Downwards firing ejection seats and problems landing didn't help its reputation - downwards firing ejection seats and landing issues dont mix!
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Postby Charl » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:10 pm

I guess if you take the time to find your way around the 'pit it would be an interesting beast indeed.
At least it's not painted that astonishing bileous green so favoured by Soviet-era planes!
I agree Ian, MEAN, and your MEAN shot also, MEAN
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Postby Ian Warren » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:02 pm

Naki wrote:
QUOTE (Naki @ Dec 26 2007, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nice shots Ian!

Downwards firing ejection seats and problems landing didn't help its reputation - downwards firing ejection seats and landing issues dont mix!

:arrr: One off the few planes ya turn upside down before ya CRASH :wacko: , thought maybe thats were they got that "astonishing bileous green so favoured by Soviet-era planes!" , .......... the last big flight to the Green Grass of Home :)
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Postby Snowman » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:48 am

An unusual, and very rare military aircraft. Ian will recognise this beautiful old beast........................
The Lockheed YC-121 F / R7V-2 Turbo Super Constellation. One of only 4 ever made, between 1954 and 1957.
They were powered by 4 Pratt and Whitney T-34 Turboprops, each engine producing 5000 shp.
Two of these aircraft set world speed records for a Propeller driven aircraft.




















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Postby cowpatz » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:31 am

Awesome and unsual aircraft Laurie. What model is it?
Remember the 50-50-90 rule. Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong!

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Postby Charl » Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:11 am

Great shots Lawrie!
Y'have to wonder what it sounded like?
A fatter Orion??
Lots of the persona of the Connie rested in the big Wright Cyclones.
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Postby Snowman » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:13 am

cowpatz wrote:
QUOTE (cowpatz @ Dec 28 2007, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Awesome and unsual aircraft Laurie. What model is it?


The model is by Manfred Jahn, filename.......... yc-121.zip, (14.3mb) available from Avsim.



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QUOTE (Charl @ Dec 28 2007, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great shots Lawrie!
Y'have to wonder what it sounded like?
A fatter Orion??
Lots of the persona of the Connie rested in the big Wright Cyclones.


Well, it sounds pretty damn good on my 5.1 Theatre Surround sound system !! Its LOUD !!
Yes, you do wonder what it must have sounded like in real life, and look at the size of those prop blades !!, compared to the 4 blade props on the piston powered Connie.

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Postby ardypilot » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:41 am

Ok, I'm well overdue to post up a few piccys here.

Now I might be treading on a few toes here, considering this aircraft never actually flew during the cold war era- however it was designed in the midst of it, but mainly has seen service in the Gulf in the 90's- I present to you my favourite jet fighter of all time: The Panavia Tornado!

I've been fascinated with this aircraft ever since I saw one at Dunsfold airshow as a kid with teeth painted on nose- and it's very memorable mind blowing roar from the display still echoing in my ears. I've had a large poster of the RAF variant on my wall for about 5 years now, the swept wing silhouette being a symbol of power and speed, which the old DBS recreates rather well:









These snaps are once again from Robin and Ian's new Coromandel scenery, a perfect training ground for a Tornado crew with plenty of mountains and vallys to practice low level terrain hugging flying in, much like the geography of Wales in the UK where they can be seen for real.
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Postby Ian Warren » Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:28 am

Snowman wrote:
QUOTE (Snowman @ Dec 28 2007, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
An unusual, and very rare military aircraft. Ian will recognise this beautiful old beast........................
The Lockheed YC-121 F / R7V-2 Turbo Super Constellation. One of only 4 ever made, between 1954 and 1957.
They were powered by 4 Pratt and Whitney T-34 Turboprops, each engine producing 5000 shp.
Two of these aircraft set world speed records for a Propeller driven aircraft.

That s a pretty Connie :) these things were using the same engines as a Douglas C133 Cargomaster :o , with a sound footprint more to the TU114/TU20 /95 Bear . for there day they were setting speed records , 480-490 mph , altho the TU114s surpassed it by typical 540 mph .
These aircraft were later fitted with the Alison engine of P3/C130 in era with the USAF were lookin for transport replacement , Boeing won with the C135/KC135 s.

Cool plane Lawrie , Id better get and take it for test :D
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