My Flight Experience

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Postby ardypilot » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:21 pm

For my birthday treat, I got to have a go in the Flight Experiences new B737 Simulator in Botany, Auckland.

I arrived at 2pm, and took me seat in the captains seat, and had to read the preflight checklist to the co-pilot (the instructor).

We were positioned at the domestic terminal at NZAA, and soon I was allowed to push back and taxi to runway 05R.

The software they were running was FS2004 with REAL NZ Auckland, and some pretty comprehensive AI traffic package. ATC was not simulated, so I just taxied into position, revved up the engines and rotated.

We climbed up to 3000 feet, and set various autopilot systems on (alt, course, auto throtte), then I got to fly over my house and the city CBD (the buildings were missing there textures for some reason), then we circled back over the gulf and island, and finally the co-pilot set us up for a ILS touch and go at NZWP.

We landed smoothly, and I noticed the default FS9 afcad was being used, with the taxi-signs appearing in the middle of the runway (although I kept this to myself ;) ). I was instructed to rotate again, and we climbed back up to 3000 feet, and headed out west over Piha to enter the pattern for NZAA.

After a few minutes, we turned south towards the Manukau harbor entrance, and started our final approach for 05R. The instructor let me fly it manually, using the PAPI to follow my glideslope rather than the glass cockpit panel.

Just as I was on short finals, I noticed a B1900d directly in front of me (no red text above it to alert from far off, although I had picked it up on the TCAS), and I had to adjust my altitude rapidly, before making a pretty smooth landing, that I was congratulated on B)

Just as the reverse thrust was kicking in, I noticed another AI 1900d rolling along the runway, and we smashed straight into it, and out the other side (without any damage effects), then turned off the runway and taxied back to the gate.

I was given a DVD of my flight (my attatched photos are from my dad who sat in the back along with my brother), then had a chat with the simulator pilot who actually turned out to also be the Lifeflight Metroliner pilot!

Unfortunately, I didn't have time to explain a few things I had noticed inside the cockpit, so I will share them here instead:
1) the fs2004 graphics are much better than the ANZ multi-million dollar sim. I guessed all that money was put towards the full motion equipment which the Flight Experience one does not have. However, it still feels like you are moving as with the wrap around 180 degree screen, you see the world passing by just out the corner of your eye, and this is very effective.

2) The sim could be set up a little better. For instance, they had unlimited visibilty and the clear weather theme set, which could easily be tweaked to add a little realism. Also, they had the stock fs2004 mesh, topo and waterclass. If they had got the RBE package, it would look heaps better!

I was also told that they had 6 computers running the thing, one for each of the FMC's and a few for the different gauges and autopilot. They must have some pretty powerful PC with FS9 on it, as I noticed no FPS lag or blurry textures, even at low level traveling at 250kias!

I hope you enjoyed my little report- and if you live in Auckland, I highly recommend you give it a go -> www.flightexperience.co.nz

(Below are seven photos from inside the cockpit, 1.14mb)

1. The cockpit
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2. Fullpower down 05R
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3. Turning towards Rangitoto
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4. Finals for NZWP
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5. Finals for NZAA (notice traffic!)
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6. Short finals
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7. Reverse thrust (notice more traffic!!)
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Postby ZK-Brock » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:55 pm

Cool stuff Trolly. Do you think it's worth the money?
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Postby Jimmy » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:57 pm

Wow neato! thanks for shareing :)

My questions:

how long was the flight for?

Did it handle like the fs models?

oh and what fs model were they useing? :P

btw maby they should turn the ai off ae lol

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Postby Zöltuger » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:35 pm

Trolly wrote: Just as the reverse thrust was kicking in, I noticed another AI 1900d rolling along the runway, and we smashed straight into it, and out the other side (without any damage effects)

*sigh* so much for realism

i had a go in the prototype 767 version when i was in Christchurch a few years back, it's definetly a lot of fun. apparantly the 767 pilots they trained on it (who moved from the old cockpit to the glass version) commented on its realism.

no AI traffic or anything, but the cockpit was certainly hot without ventilation. which i will use as my excuse for my missed approach into wellington (also the runway was too short) <_<
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Postby Charl » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:57 pm

Thanks for sharing...
Thought: don't they have half a dozen of these all over the place?
Wouldn't a bit of online flying then be the greatest experience?
And someone doing ATC to stop the wannabe pilots running all over each other...
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Postby ardypilot » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:25 pm

Do you think it's worth the money?

Definitly! Especially if you are someone like me who already knows the basics, therefore you don't have to waste time getting everything explained to you (= more flight time)

how long was the flight for?

30 minutes. There are longer periods for a greater expense $$$

Did it handle like the fs models?

I didn't notice really.

oh and what fs model were they useing?

Erm, not sure. I did not see any panel or exterior view or anything else apart from the view out the cockpit window.

btw maby they should turn the ai off ae lol

I reckon :P

Thought: don't they have half a dozen of these all over the place?
Wouldn't a bit of online flying then be the greatest experience?
And someone doing ATC to stop the wannabe pilots running all over each other...

Now that sounds like a neat idea! Perhaps you should e-mail that suggestion to them Charl ;)
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Postby flynz » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:02 pm

It can't be too authentic I mean just look the captain isn't even wearing a seatbelt for the entire flight :P
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Postby SUBS17 » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:25 am

Nice flying so PPL is next for you then.
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Postby AlisterC » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:44 am

Truly excellent to hear you had a good time Andrew! And glad to hear you recommend it :D You know you could have asked for some nasty weather, I'm sure they would have turned it on for you. And it was great to hear your comparison with the Air NZ sim, especially as this sim is no doubt a great deal cheaper per hour than the Air NZ one.
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Postby HardCorePawn » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:43 am

And it was great to hear your comparison with the Air NZ sim, especially as this sim is no doubt a great deal cheaper per hour than the Air NZ one.


My sources in the industry tell me that the Airline sims cost around $750+GST/hour. :ph43r:

So after I win Big Wednesday this week I'll let you all know how it flies :P
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Postby towerguy » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:46 pm

interesting the standby A/H shows a full 90 degree left turn in just about every shot!??? :blink:
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Postby happytraveller » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:42 am

With a bit of research on the net, you will find some of the airline full motion simulators are available as well. I have tried the United 747-100, Lufthansa 747-400 and Thai 777 simulators, but AirNZ were concerned about 'security' so I could not try theirs. Must say that FS2004 is still impressive, even after trying the 'real' simulators, but if you have a few dollars spare.........
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Postby ZK-MAT » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:53 pm

Charl wrote: Wouldn't a bit of online flying then be the greatest experience?
And someone doing ATC to stop the wannabe pilots running all over each other...

Tonight two of the Pacific Simulator's, sims are flying NZQN NZDN, NZCH, NZWN, NZRO,NZTG,NZAA on Vatsim. I flew a 733 from CH to WN with them. Matt McTague was on ATC at CH, with plenty other other accompaning traffic.

A look on ServeInfo tells me they have just reached Rotorua (9.53pm NZT). It must be noisy in their cockpits, the sound through their mics was full of background kerfuffle.
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Postby kiwiflyboy » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:20 pm

I also notice that the compass doesnt move in any shot...... too bad if you lost your screens, no directional info given to ya........... ohh noes.....
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Postby Alex » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:30 pm

Seems that none of the backup gauges work, but nothing happened ... this time. :P

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Postby Zöltuger » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:49 pm

Alex wrote: Seems that none of the backup gauges work, but nothing happened ... this time. :P

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I dunno, what if that attitude indicator is telling the truth :o
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Postby ZK-Brock » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:19 am

ZK-MAT wrote:
Charl wrote: Wouldn't a bit of online flying then be the greatest experience?
And someone doing ATC to stop the wannabe pilots running all over each other...

Tonight two of the Pacific Simulator's, sims are flying NZQN NZDN, NZCH, NZWN, NZRO,NZTG,NZAA on Vatsim. I flew a 733 from CH to WN with them. Matt McTague was on ATC at CH, with plenty other other accompaning traffic.

A look on ServeInfo tells me they have just reached Rotorua (9.53pm NZT). It must be noisy in their cockpits, the sound through their mics was full of background kerfuffle.

I observed this event last night, it was a great flight. Super ATC as well. :thumbup: :bow:
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Postby ardypilot » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:45 am

Tonight two of the Pacific Simulator's, sims are flying NZQN NZDN, NZCH, NZWN, NZRO,NZTG,NZAA on Vatsim. I flew a 733 from CH to WN with them. Matt McTague was on ATC at CH, with plenty other other accompaning traffic.

Thats pretty cool- how did you identify them?
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Postby ZK-MAT » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:59 am

Their callsigns ... PPC 556 & 557 or something like that!
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Postby ardypilot » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:05 am

Their callsigns ... PPC 556 & 557 or something like that!

Neat- VATSIM really is great as it lets the "big commercial guys" fly in the same world as the armature home simmer :P Must have been a fun experience.
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