The Soviets are invading!

[hasegawa]

... and here the Bomber-Flight... 1967... Ramad David to Luxor... and maybe return?



Deadly - low but not slow. I have done it this night in FS 2004 for one long hour. With Mach 0.82 below 1.500 ft without any autopilot.

I never want to do it in reality.

[chopper_nut]

Who makes that model?

[hasegawa]

Yes, it is time to tell the story of this model

You can find it here:

http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID...&DLID=91962

SO 4050 Vautour 2N by Barney Bigard, Jean Pierre Langer, Christian Daboudet, Jean-Pierre Bourgeois, Benoit Dubé

so_4050_vautour_fs9.zip
ca. 19,3 Mb

[h290master]

SEA Venoms out and about

[Ian Warren]

Brilliant Shots Hayden What we need is a 60/70s type Carrier for NZ waters , Melbourne ? or type closer , Ark Royal , wonder if she could come downunder ?
.. mm They are FSXshots to , maybe this new FSX addon - Carriers , this is going to be fun !

[hugh]

Mig-19 over Taieri and Auckland

[hasegawa]

Sorry, but this is not a MiG 19S, it´s a Shenjang F-6... the chinese copy.

This aircraft has chinese markings I see and they brought out their own version. It has been also exportet. In the GDR, in 1961 we have used some original MiG 19S and 19PM from the USSR. Not a success. After some terrible accidents they are withdrawn from service and MiG 21PM are used. In China the Shenjang F-6 are in use up today and for a long time they also are in use in Pakistan.

[Ian Warren]

Lookin good Hugh , nice crisp shots maybe some inside shots

[hugh]

QUOTE (hasegawa @ Nov 1 2007, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sorry, but this is not a MiG 19S, it´s a Shenjang F-6... the chinese copy..

Whoops! My bad ... here is a real Mig 19 (from the same excellent freeware package though, by Yan Tao) and this is more in keeping with the original "Soviets are coming" thread topic. Yes, I read that the early versions of the 19 were not popular with users, but the USAF in Vietnam regarded them as a more dangerous opponent than the 21.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (hugh @ Nov 2 2007, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I read that the early versions of the 19 were not popular with users, but the USAF in Vietnam regarded them as a more dangerous opponent than the 21.

North Vietnamese operated the Mig19 during the Vietnam conflict and using the 21 and 17 , the 21s pilot were primarily trained for intercept via ground controller 'GCI'( more reason not popular with pilots ) , the 19 was in class off its own being very manuovrable , and showed with earlier 17 ( small /light ) , was the Mig 17 that was the headache for the F4 pilots , in fact it was a dogfight with a phantom and a mig17 that in a sence created TOPGUN ! , due to pilot skill from both sides , making it the most dynamic jet to jet dogfight known during the war .

Another fighter from the era , and known as the SALE OF THE CENTURY , The western counterpart the : LOCKHEED F-104 Starfighter

you take the back seat and enjoy the ride from Wanaka to Woodbourne


Get the gear up quik , and on request a VIEW before climb out

Outta here .. after the TIKI tour in Wanaka , required fuel stop in Christchurch ,

Due to Ians playing around in the cockpit , we decided to ditch him , Camo chaps and fill her up thanx


Ian's still dreaming ,



Other operators


There are many , the office ,

_______________________WHAT THE HELL ._____________________________


_______________________ CAUGHT , I'M OUTTA HERE ______________________________

[Naki]

Crikey _ I can't keep up! - real nice shots guys - I know this was few pages ago but stunning shots of the Neptune Ian, love the Hunter, Vatour, Sea Venom & SR-71 series CN, Hasegawa & H290 and nice shots Hugh - and welcome to the forum!

Ian is that Captain Sims Starfighter? Presume it is with the USSR markings!

Was planning Seaknight, SR-71 & Hunter series - oh well have something else planned as I have some other planes that have arrived in the hanger that will suit.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Naki @ Nov 2 2007, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Crikey _ I can't keep up! -
Ian is that Captain Sims Strafighter? Presume it is with the USSR markings!

Hi ya Paul , yip .. Capsim 104 , its still an amazing model .. yeah ... well spose US have Mig23's and others I guess , sure our Russian friends own some western types

[ardypilot]

QUOTE

North Vietnamese operated the Mig19 during the Vietnam conflict and using the 21 and 17 , the 21s pilot were primarily trained for intercept via ground controller 'GCI'( more reason not popular with pilots ) , the 19 was in class off its own being very manuovrable , and showed with earlier 17 ( small /light ) , was the Mig 17 that was the headache for the F4 pilots , in fact it was a dogfight with a phantom and a mig17 that in a sence created TOPGUN ! , due to pilot skill from both sides , making it the most dynamic jet to jet dogfight known during the war .[/quote]
Far out Ian, you are a walking-talking encyclopedia! I think I've learnt more in this thread than all the hours I've spent browsing wikipedia

Fantastic screenies of the Starfighter btw- fs2004 or fsx?

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Trolly @ Nov 2 2007, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Fantastic screenies of the Starfighter btw- fs2004 or fsx?

Thanx Andrew , ... I guess 'wikipedia' is built up from many people like myself and many on this forum ... we are all one "GREAT PLANE NUTTERS"
Starfighter FS9 and still worth it ! ,

[hasegawa]

Yes, this Starfighter may be now in Monino near Moscow. Interesting aircraft. No idea, how the F-104 got in to soviet hands, but we know in the meantime, that in cold war secretly some aircraft are handed over to the other side. Look at the end of the former East German Air Force. The US Air Force are given the following aircraft from this Source:

- Suchoi Su 22
- MiG 23BN
- a MiG 29A

and the MiG 29 of the JG 73 are often enough in the USA and in Decimomannu/Sardinia as Red Flag Encounter.

Now they are in Poland and we have the "Typhoon..."

[hugh]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Nov 2 2007, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

the Mig 17 that was the headache for the F4 pilots

Maybe the best Mig of all judged by combat stats-it was basically an uprated 15, really an early 50s aircraft, but it shot down far more US fighters than the 19 or 21. Even the ground crews liked them best- they could remove the whole rear of the aircraft to access the engine.

Heres a 17 over Dunedin-and thanks for the superb photoscenery package Ian, which my screenshots dont do justice to. On my creaky old set-up I cant seem to get FS 2004 screenies as sharp as the ones I used to get in FS 2002, time for an upgrade...

Been lurking forever but I couldn't resist this thread-may it run and run!

[Naki]

What model Mig-17 is that, Hugh? Reminds me that there was a civilian Mig-15 based in Dunedin for a while.

[Charl]

Nice shiny Starfighter Ian, great cockpit shot - I have the Cloud 9 demo somewhere, will upload for comparison
Goodonya Hugh, thread needs new blood!
Nice MiG shots, didn't even know there was a 17
The logical follow-on to this thread, then:
Ladies and gentlemen"¦



The MiG killer




An elegant minimalist single-engine design, one of the first "Area-ruled" fuselage cross-sections. And of course, that 60 degree delta wing.






No matter which FS model you pick, there is that Regular 50's Wurlitzer jukebox, right in front of you.






It could go Mach 2.2, shoot you down with a couple of 30mm cannon or A-A missiles, or drop a nuclear bomb on you.
Or, as the Falklands campaign demonstrated, sink you with an Exocet.






Anyone who didn't get a Starfighter, got one of these.
From Argentina to Australia, Belgium to Brazil, over 1,500 were sold.
The Heyl Ha'Avir produced the best marketing campaign for Dassault, that an arms supplier could hope for:
in the 1967 Six Day War, their Mirages shot down nearly 50 Arab aircraft, mostly MiGs (17, 19 and 21's),
but also a few Hawker Hunters to prove it was no fluke.








Israel covertly supplied the SAAF with some airframes which were worked over to produce the Cheetah.
The Kfir was very similar, with uprated Atar engine, canards, and high-tech avionics suite.
There were rumours of industrial espionage at the time - the French were not amused.

[hugh]

QUOTE (Naki @ Nov 2 2007, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What model Mig-17 is that, Hugh? Reminds me that there was a civilian Mig-15 based in Dunedin for a while.

Was that the 2-seater in the Wanaka airshow? The Mig 17C is by Kazunori Ito. Heres the Vietnamese version :

[Naki]

Hi Hugh - Yes the Mig-15UTI that appeared at Wanaka one year.

Another nice series Charl.

The Mirage is such a sexy aeroplane but apparently the Aussies found them quite useless for use in Aussie (the Malaysian based RAAF squadrons probably fared better) as the range/payload capabilty was not the best (to put it mildly) and Australia is not exactly a small country. I am not sure what crossed the Air Force planners minds when they decided to buy Mirages. They couldn't be refueled in the air either as they didn't have any tankers back then and the Mirages weren't fitted for air to air refuelling. I read an article from a high up RAAF officer that it would of made a lot more sense (and probably a lot cheaper) if they brought truck loads of F-4 Phantoms instead of spending their money on F-111s (which was very expensive to buy and operate and entered service late) and Mirages. The F-4 had the range and payload which would of suited Aussie a lot better.

The Mirage suited Israeli service though. The later Kfirs had J-79s (same engine as the Phantom) which gave the Kfir somewhat better performance than their French built cousins.