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by **SUBS17** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:35 pm

Pity you can't dogfight with them my money would be on the hustler.

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:48 pm

Bit hard flyin 2 PC's

, I do believe the scaling on previous pic is way out way only 36 feet between em B58 at 96 ft and Tu22 at 132ft

as far as dogfight , least we all agree with all... not the best for manuovring

unstated

I really just liked the look off em

be interest to see how the Tu28 (Fiddler) is ? no model out there YET i believe .

by **Naki** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:12 pm

Fiddler - the Russian fighter as big as a bomber?

by **Charl** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:18 pm

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE(Ian Warren @ Sep 17 2007, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bit hard flyin 2 PC's , I do believe the scaling on previous pic is way out way only 36 feet between em B58 at 96 ft and Tu22 at 132ft as far as dogfight , least we all agree with all... not the best for manuovring unstated I really just liked the look off em be interest to see how the Tu28 (Fiddler) is ? no model out there YET i believe .

Flightsim models are notoriously inaccurate.
Here's the revised scaled drawing - this time imported into AUTOCAD as a raster image, and scaled to 500 decimals.
If anything, it's made the Hustler even smaller because this time I excluded the sting from the nose.
(And cross-checked the wingspan)
Yep the Blinder is bigger than the Hustler

Pity you can't dogfight with them my money would be on the hustler.

The Blinder had a tailgun, anybody know about the Hustler??

by **Naki** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:32 pm

Hmm interesting

So the B-58 had the same payload as the Tu-22 even though it is smaller - I guess the TU-22 had better range (I better look it up)

Pretty sure the B-58 had no tail gun - only the Ruskkies liked putting tail guns on big fast bombers - although the B-52 has a tail gun - a B-52 is hardly fast though.

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:40 pm

58 had a basic rotary cannon / first generation ... welll have both 58 and 22 on both PC's in X , bout to take a Hussle ... around CHCH , bit of exciting test , lookin forward to see both together

by **Naki** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:44 pm

Can we have some screenshots

- where did you get the B-58 from?

by **Charl** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:53 pm

Naki wrote:
QUOTE(Naki @ Sep 17 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm interesting
So the B-58 had the same payload as the Tu-22 even though it is smaller - I guess the TU-22 had better range (I better look it up)
Pretty sure the B-58 had no tail gun - only the Ruskkies liked putting tail guns on big fast bombers - although the B-52 has a tail gun - a B-52 is hardly fast though.

Oops I see from another source the Tupolev could carry 50% more bombs 50% further than the Convair.
Ah well who knows what would've been the result, had someone pulled the trigger back then?

Is there a good Mirage IV model for FS? I seem to remember Alphasim starting one

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:59 pm

Paul , Alphasim for B58 , and yes gauges work and VC .. Screenshots no probs , rather starting a new thread , u happy to have posts of this type .. ' The Soviets are invading ' with extras from the Cold War or start a new thread , be more fun to keep orginal thread title

less mess

Charl wrote:
QUOTE(Charl @ Sep 22 2007, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oops I see from another source the Tupolev could carry 50% more bombs 50% further than the Convair.Ah well who knows what would've been the result, had someone pulled the trigger back then?Is there a good Mirage IV model for FS? I seem to remember Alphasim starting one

Alpha has a MirageIV .... have many details and spec's here ...from many writings - Enclyco's/Books/mags dated 4/5 decades plus maybe ... keep all updated

by **Naki** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:19 pm

Yea yea add it to this thread - I'll change the thread name slightly - then we can add Victors/Vulcans/Valiants/B-36s etc or even an Avro CF-105 Arrow or my favourite what might of been Cold War a/c the TSR-2

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:01 pm

Super

Old Vulcans , TSR2 ' Amazing plane'

mmm OLD CONNIES to the Tupolev TU 114/TU26 .. and a MIRAGE to join

XB70 another ' Amazing plane' of course ... the most undisputed champ .. the winner maybe THE Peacemaker

Convair B36 but that is in the eyes of the moment , hecks so many to showcase

. COLD WAR ... GO!

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:04 pm

Time run out tonight for 22/58 multi .. Thought best to Clear the Air , AWAC's Russian style TU24/126 NATO code MOSS

This is a 'freeware' and since Rusky Puttin has put his Bear's in the Air .. Be good place to start

Based and continued from Tupolev Design Brurea , this plane has a wicked VC .. and civy TU114 full interior , sound package equals nothin .. its

It also works in X so i'm happy ... for interest sake thinkin .. dang 'old propeller' type to slow for me ... typical 'bear' flys in at Clean 540 knots (870kmp) , this jobbie knock it down to estimated 500 knots (800kmp) , so operate at speeds same as 737 .

by **Naki** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:09 pm

Nice! They are fast! I will have have to dig up something to post.

by **Charl** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:31 pm

Wow Ian I didn't know they put a dish on those!
There's a lot of Cold War stuff that's weird, it's true.
OK, while I compose a better screenshot of my newest archived Cold Warrior, title this one:

There's only one landing gear like it, anywhere.

by **Ian Warren** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:56 pm

Have probally 3 books on the TSR2 , one a good account when Roland Beamount test flew .. on what he considered doggy engines , one i must get .

by **Charl** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:03 pm

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE(Ian Warren @ Sep 18 2007, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have probally 3 books on the TSR2 , one a good account when Roland Beamount test flew .. on what he considered doggy engines , one i must get .

Darn I uploaded the wrong picture, was meant to be this one:

I think I bought the ALPHASIM model because of the main landing gear retraction sequence.
For those who don't know it look here:
See how it jacks up the nosewheel leg before takeoff.
Then see it go.
This clip goes to 10,000ft

It's a Mean Machine, pity it didn't get more development, like so many beautiful aircraft of the era.

Edit: more pics, I love this thing it is a Missile

by **Naki** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:31 pm

mmmm the TSR-2 - I wonder if the Tornado would exist if the TSR-2 went into service?

by **Ian Warren** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:23 pm

Naki wrote:
QUOTE(Naki @ Sep 23 2007, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mmmm the TSR-2 - I wonder if the Tornado would exist if the TSR-2 went into service?

Yeah , TSR , for new kids on block Tactical / Strike / Recon , TSR the '2' pretty number .. no not really

- Tornado in devolpment during the early 70's ... Check this out for a title ...... Its Flash the 'MRCA' .... WOW ! must mean something , well the above must mean anything seen before !

.. This makes the aircraft a 40 year old design , hecks .. what the diff between Tornado and the F111 , and why they are out of US service and soon to be retired from RAAF , speed stress affects airframe ... reason why oldie .. the Boeing B52 still going .. and heck they are not soft when in mil exercise and guess combat , last off production line 1962 .. BLOODY GOOD YEAR !

Maybe the TSR better stay a what if .. ... the SEPCAT Jaguar !

zapped ,gone .. then we come home , tiki NZ , what of the Skyhawk .. 1970 ? Oppps , ... Mig 21 s I believe Charl /Paul pointed out , 21,000 , China with Xian 5/6JE7 and further devolpments .. all all , .. and the copies of the TU16 Badger ... TUPOLEV .. dang !

by **Naki** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:35 pm

Charl - I see what you mean with the landing gear sequence - quite nifty.

Found a great book in the library at lunch time on Tupelov bombers- apparently the Tu-22 had 3 downward firing ejection seats (!?) - most of the problems with flying the TU-22 occured at landing with tail first stalls (as Charl mentioned above) and frail landing gear - hate to think what the consequences were with difficulties at landing time and then contemplating using the downward firing ejection seats - I guess you just wouldn't use them!

Not very good shots as they are rather rushed but here is Canada's Cold War "what might of been", the CF-105 Arrow. It is in formation with the aircaft it intended to replace - the CF-100. If it went into service it would of been without doubt the best fighter in the world at the time - the emphasis was on speed, climb rate, an advanced missle & radar system and range. Unfortunately (as with the TSR-2) it got canned and Canada bought second hand USAF F-101 Voodoos instead.

by **Naki** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:46 pm

And heres what the RAF used in the interim (until the Tornado arrived) instead of the TSR-2 - the Blackburn Bucaneer - an excellent low level strike aircraft orginally designed for the Royal Navy (the Royal Navy used them on their last conventional carriers). Was used in the First Gulf war and retired shortly after that. Theres a couple of private ones still flying in South Africa (their Air Force also had a small sqaudron of them).

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