NZFF

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:49 am**

Following Whirlys thread , time to spice it up a little ... check the address's at the bottom of the page , all this was happening 6/7 seven years back...

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:08 pm**

What a load of bollocks, sorry dude but I have alot of friends who served in the Gulf war and not one saw any flying saucers. The opening stages of Desert Storm were done using F117s that attacked command and communications as well as search radars. The only strange weapon used there was a MOAB (Mother of all Bombs) was dropped and an SAS patrol nearby thought that it was a Nuke so they put on their NBC kit.(Nuclear Biological and chemical warfare suit with gas mask) later they took it off again when they found out that it was not a nuke. The Desert Strorm was won by advanced technology and Blitzkreig tactics so the Iraqis wound up mostly surrendering due to lack of support(food etc because they took out supply convoys) and command(due to lack of communications as the F117s and other bombers had taken out the commanders radios and bunkers etc). As far as lasers are concerned thats a technology thats been around for a while but upto a few years ago was impractical as lasers require alot of energy to work they also lose strength and disapate in fog. Also the coalition had air superority from pretty much the start of the war so there was no problems in that area as for large concentrations of soldiers and defensive trenches etc they used artillery(MRLS/155s) and cluster bombs made short work of the Iraqis forces in most cases.

As for the Aurora you can read some details on it in wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)

From what I understand if it ever existed it was just a spy plane that was to replace the SR71 although nowdays that job is done by sattelittes.

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:22 pm**

As for flying discs:

Read up on Robert Lazar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar

and video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Pc2aLM3jY

And how UFOs might work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJolFbj8nc4

As with all such things I just take it as a grain of salt, theres plenty of info and misinformation out there although the gravity applification stuff does sound interesting its behaviour as he describes and its capabilitys look similar to what you see in UFO pictures and videos.

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Claims regarding Area 51

In November 1989, Lazar appeared in a special interview with investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS to discuss his purported employment at "S4", a facility he claims exists within Area 51. In his interview with Knapp, Lazar said he encountered several flying saucers. He says he first thought the saucers were secret terrestrial aircraft whose test flights must have been responsible for many UFO reports. Gradually, on closer examination and from having been shown multiple briefing documents, Lazar came to the conclusion that the discs were of extraterrestrial origin. In his filmed testimony Lazar explains how this impression first hit him after he boarded one craft being studied and examined its interior.[8] Lazar claims to have "worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory (specifically in the Meson Physics facility ), involved with experiments using the 1/2 mile long Linear Particle Accelerator."[9] Knapp claimed to find Lazar's name among that of other scientists in the 1982 Los Alamos phone book[10] and have a 1982 Los Alamos Monitor news article mentioning "Lazar, [as] a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility."[11]

For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic Element 115 served as a nuclear fuel. Element 115 (temporarily named "ununpentium" (symbol Uup)) reportedly provided an energy source which would produce anti-gravity effects under proton bombardment, along with antimatter for energy production. As the intense strong nuclear force field of Element 115's nucleus would be properly amplified, the resulting large-scale gravitational effect would be a distortion of the surrounding space-time continuum that would, in effect, greatly shorten the distance and travel time to a destination.[12]

Lazar also claims that he was given introductory briefings describing the historical involvement by extraterrestrial beings with this planet for the past 100,000 years. The beings originate from the Zeta Reticuli 1 & 2 star system and are therefore referred to as Zeta Reticulans, popularly called 'greys'.[13] In popular culture, the "grey" is probably the most familiar of alien archetypes, such as the alien who is the protagonist in the 2009 film Paul, a comedy about a grey who escapes Area 51. In the film the alien character "Paul" discusses the use of his image in the media to prepare Earth's culture for a possible meeting with his alien culture, also supposedly from Zeta Reticuli.[14]

Lazar's stories have garnered considerable media attention and controversy. Lazar's story has its supporters and skeptics, including Stanton Friedman, a ufologist who looked into Lazar's claims and did his own investigating on the matter.[15]

Another Lazar debunker is Dr. David L. Morgan. Morgan looked into all of Lazar's scientific claims and claims to have scientifically refuted most of the ideas that Lazar had elaborated on in his description of the alien spacecraft, particularly its propulsion systems and use of Ununpentium, or Element 115. Morgan said that "After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the "physics" of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is" this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible."[16] Morgan went on to argue that "the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories."[16][[/quote]

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