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by **Alex** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:24 pm

Nope, 2 million split over three main cities (those two million spread over roughly 2000km²). Not extremely economical for expensive hardware except in densely populated areas (CBD) of those cities.

by **pilot.masman** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:36 pm

hahah would be hard to justify tauranga, only breaking through the 100K mark recently. nowhere near the near millions of aucks

by **BigBird** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:26 am

Isn't this new technology just the same as the Vodafone 3G network?

Know which I would rather use and it doesn't begin with 'T'!

by **Alex** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:48 am

BigBird wrote:
QUOTE (BigBird @ May 6 2009, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't this new technology just the same as the Vodafone 3G network?

Very similar...

If you were to liken it to Windows Operating systems (in terms of age alone), Telecom's "XT" network would be Vista, while vodafone's would be XP (or something along those lines - you get the picture).

I find it hard to believe that Telecom can offer any real savings. How can you offer competitive savings after investing in, and subsequently scrapping two networks (Telecom are onto their third now; XT), while your opposite has put all that investment into one network?

Alex

by **Anthony** » Wed May 06, 2009 6:00 pm

Because Telecom make billions in a year?

Alex - nice analogy. XT will be 850MHz WCDMA (covering ~97% of NZ), while Vodafone 3G (covering ~47% of NZ) is 2100MHz WCDMA.
Vodafone are presently putting in place some 900MHz WCDMA.

Telecom has made a good choice going to WCDMA. And they've made a better one by going to 850MHz rather than 2100/900MHz.

by **Alex** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:56 pm

Anthony wrote:
QUOTE (Anthony @ May 6 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because Telecom make billions in a year?

You mean billions of dollars of revenue. What is their profit margin? Sure, they might pull billions of dollars of revenue, but how much of that is earmarked as expenditure? How much money are they allocating from their profits to re-invest in new networks?

Think of how much money was wasted setting up the 025 (analogue) network, advertising it, then shutting it down (and the shut-down advertising). Think of how much money was spent setting up the 027 (CDMA) network, advertising it, shutting it down (which it will be, next year) and how much money they will spend advertising that it will be shut down. Now they have spent more money setting up a third network (GSM), and probably heaps getting Hammond on to be a cover-boy. Given the past trends, this will be shut down in a few years as well.

Woot. Go Telecom. Right?

Their processes are just not efficient, not effective, not enticing. End of story.

Anthony wrote:
QUOTE (Anthony @ May 6 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Telecom has made a good choice going to WCDMA. And they've made a better one by going to 850MHz rather than 2100/900MHz.

A good network is a small piece in an overall strategy. Telecom will not succeed by this new network alone. They will actually need to offer competitive pricing and plans to attract new clientÃ¨le. How they are going to compete effectively with vodafone (and other carriers) while staying in the black is a mystery to me. They'll need to have some sort of premium somewhere to cover the amount of wastage they've made through setting up and dismantling all these different mobile networks. Simple.

With regards to vodafone 3G coverage. If you get vodafone 2G currently, but not 3G, you will be covered by the end of May.

Alex

Website · by **Njbb1995** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:46 pm

Vodafone, Telecom reach deal

by **pilot.masman** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:37 pm

yea i saw this on the news, i bet telecoms thinking allot of angry things at this time. has anyone heard what the filters will do to the reception and quality of the telecom phones. lol

by **Anthony** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:57 pm

Oh I agree completely Alex. My first comment needed one of these at the end of it:

or maybe one of these:

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I believe Telecom were reported as spending some horrendous amount on infrastructure per day. Something in the thousands or hundreds of thousands? Having said that, Telecom are some of the most successful people I know at wasting time and money. Case(s) in point being the various networks - as you illustrated.
The CDMA network will be around until 2012 by the way.

Definitely Telecom need to offer decent plans too. I know a lot of people are fans of $10 txt - and I think if Telecom has any sense, that is a deal they will continue well into the future.

At least Telecom has other business interests to subsidise XT. Though, it still is a bit of a puzzle. I guess Telecom wouldn't spend the money if they didn't have a viable plan to recoup it and attract customers.

by **pilot.masman** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:05 pm

i wonder what the ratio of vodafone to telcom phones are in the major NZ centres, it would be quite interesting to see. from what ive seen and heard telcom has tauranga monopolised (the only people ive sen with vodas are people with 2 mobiles)

by **pilot.masman** » Fri May 08, 2009 7:15 pm

looks like the recent filter addition is going to set them back quite a way, the countdown is back up to 20days 12 hrs. and theyve confirmed dtestdrivers in June/July...

by **Blabzillaweasel** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:45 pm

Great, I just bought a $500 phone last christmas T.T

by **pilot.masman** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:25 pm

Got 3 contract phones as part of my families contract/loyalty renewal. Awesome . Only word for it

by **chickenman** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:46 pm

My old phone broke and I needed a new phone so went to the telecom shop - utter chaos!! There were people waiting upto an hour for new connections and apparently they were selling quite a few sim cards to convert vodafone phones to telecom.

I got me a new XT phone, the telecom branded ZTE R6. It makes phone calls and texts. What the hell else should it do?

I'm happy.

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Telecoms XT network :)

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