Air New Zealands 737's

[Kelburn]

How long do you think they'll stay in service?
I recently heard they were leasing another one and that they were also buying a second hand one.

[Alex]

What would they be replaced with? 737NG's, CRJ's, Airbuses, Embraer's?

Alex

[Bluebird]

Hi all

If u go to www.Airliners.net and look in the fourms look for a guy called NZ1 he is really up with the play at what ANZ will buy... They are looking at 737-700


Cheers Todd

[scon]

Last I heard they were looking at the A319 becuase of it working with the A320's

But I have heard people say and I agree with them there is no use in a small little airline like ANZ in Having Boeing eveything and 12 little A320's

So the 737-700 would be a better choice.



Back on the Airbus note I can't help but think we were forced into the A320 becuase of Ansett, Ansett had a lot on order when they folded, so the frogs wouldn't have been happy if we canceled the order.

so maybe our few 320's was just to keep them happy


I really can't see the 320's lasting out 10 years





Regards, Scott

[Zöltuger]

Yep, I'd agree that Air NZ will replace them with 737 NG's, especially given their excellent 737 maintainence facility in Christchurch, their recent support for Boeing, fleet standardisation etc.
Though probably not for a few years, 733's have been around about 10 years so perhaps another 5? Domestic isn't exactly a big money spinner for Air NZ- but they'll want to get any running cost savings if they get some more competition, and there's a massive waitlist for new 737s too.

Speaking of 737s, I see new aircraft could be fitted with electric motors on the nose gear for pushback and taxi, without the need for tugs or running engines...

[ZK-KAG]

Hmmm...Interesting times.

Put it this way Mr Fyfe is looking at 'consolidating' the fleet...(Air NZ source)...It seems Air NZ will go with whats cheap and not what the customer wants

~ZK-KAG~

P.S. NZ1 from what Ive heard is not the most credible source... As I say from what Ive heard.

[ZK-KAG]

Domestic isn't exactly a big money spinner for Air NZ- but they'll want to get any running cost savings if they get some more competition,...

Sorry Zolt, but I dont quite agree . Domestic is Air NZ's biggest money spinner as there is no competition on 90% of routes... [Air NZ source] reckons we are making very little internationally, and domestic is the backbone of Air NZ $$$

~ZK-KAG~

[Zöltuger]

Sorry Zolt, but I dont quite agree  . Domestic is Air NZ's biggest money spinner as there is no competition on 90% of routes... [Air NZ source] reckons we are making very little internationally, and domestic is the backbone of Air NZ $$$

That's actually true, just spoke to my industry contact and he said the trunk routes are pretty profitable and in fact the routes that have no competition aren't as profitable (like Gisborne). As for international, Tasman = not profitable, other routes come and go in profitablity, but premium economy is certainly helping in that regard.
Interestingly enough, Air NZ are using some A320's on the trunk at the moment- aircraft repositioning, or an experiment to determine if they're profitable...

[Bluebird]

Hi Zöltuger

ANZ is not making money on Domestic they are even looking at putting ATR 72 on all CHCH-WELLY flights and as for the A320 they seem to use them while 733 and in the hanger at NZCH getting a C Check...


Todd

[scon]

(With all due resepct to Mr Fife)


He is an accountant, meaning he is probably quite tight.


When be got the 772ER's we could have also got the 772LR and been the first airline in the world to go JFK-AKL or even LHR-AKL direct and really put ANZ on the international stage, but instead we will now be pottering to and from Vancouver 3 time a week.

Also with the 737 issue I can see the dash 300 seeing us out another 5 years, and when it comes the time to replace it we will get what ever is cheep, and with airbus wanting to dump A32X's because if a declining market and Airbus competition to Boeings Y1 (Project Yellowstone series 1, (will be the replacement to the 737 and 717) ), the a32X will cost peanuts.

That's my thought anyway

[Zöltuger]

ANZ is not making money on Domestic they are even looking at putting ATR 72 on all CHCH-WELLY flights

they must be making some money else there wouldn't be threats of new entrants, but they're not making enough money to justify new aircraft because there's no room for expansion.

Also with the 737 issue I can see the dash 300 seeing us out another 5 years, and when it comes the time to replace it we will get what ever is cheep, and with airbus wanting to dump A32X's because if a declining market and Airbus competition to Boeings Y1 (Project Yellowstone series 1, (will be the replacement to the 737 and 717) ), the a32X will cost peanuts.

Well Air NZ has options for any 777, which is useful because there's going to become a time for the 747's to be replaced. And I think they'll shy away from the 747-8 even with potential ETOPS issues.
As for Boeing Y1/Airbus NSR, they're a minimum of 5 years away so shouldn't feature on Air NZ's upgrade schedule. As you say, we'll buy what's cheap, and that's probably still going to be the 737 NG (like the last of the production line) over the A32x.

[ZK-KAG]

Air NZ's big money maker is the domestic market. Having seen some old figures its clear to me. The year 2006 saw a 35% increase in Pax over 2005. 2007 is looking like another cracker since Origin went under.

As for the aircraft: Air NZ has the option for A319's for almost 50% off the normal price... At this stage the A319 is a forerunner while Air NZ waits for some info on 737NG's... ANZ also havnt ruled out the CRJ as well as these can get into places like Whakatane aswell.

The Q300's will be around for a while yet. Q400's are not far away either, the destination being either MountCook or Air Nelson.

The 747 replacement will most likely be the 777-300ER. Although the 74's will around at least another 10 years.

~ZK-KAG~

[scon]

The 747 replacement will most likely be the 777-300ER. Although the 74's will around at least another 10 years.

~ZK-KAG~

When the 747-8 was launched the statement by Air New Zealand was (and I quote) "If Boeing Build the 747-8 we will probably buy it"

[ZK-KAG]

The 747 replacement will most likely be the 777-300ER. Although the 74's will around at least another 10 years.

~ZK-KAG~ 

When the 747-8 was launched the statement by Air New Zealand was (and I quote) "If Boeing Build the 747-8 we will probably buy it"

Yep that statement was made, but Ralph Norris was the one that wanted the 747-8. Rob Fyfe isnt interested...

[ronindanbo]

Hi Zöltuger

ANZ is not making money on Domestic they are even looking at putting ATR 72 on all CHCH-WELLY flights and as for the A320 they seem to use them while 733 and in the hanger at NZCH getting a C Check...


Todd

As any responsible shareholder will tell you Air New Zealand makes money on domestic and has the risk of loosing money on International it's been like that for near over a decade now.

[scon]

At the end of the day time will tell


I could still se us with the 747-8 though

hek we said the 747 was to big it it came out and that ANZ would never own those and look at it now, maybe we will it 15-20 years time end up with A380-700's (dout it )

[mavman]

Don't hold your breath on seeing new types in the next 3-5 years, leases on the ATR's have been extended and the 733's are relatively cheap to operate therefore ANZ aren't in any hurry to replace them. The '73's are in the process of getting new seats installed (slimmer, more modern) and seating is being increased from 136Y to 142Y.

[A185F]

Yea I agree there, I doubt there will be any new types in the near future especially for the 737 replacment. And at the moment I very much doubt they would replace with NGs (UNFORTUNATELY ), they're just too big. I think they would go down the A319 route but that wouldn't be for a fair while, no need to get rid of the 733s any time soon

[scon]

Yea I agree there, I doubt there will be any new types in the near future especially for the 737 replacment. And at the moment I very much doubt they would replace with NGs (UNFORTUNATELY ), they're just too big. I think they would go down the A319 route but that wouldn't be for a fair while, no need to get rid of the 733s any time soon

The A319 is the same size (give or take a few seats) as the 737-700NG

[A185F]

The A319 is the same size (give or take a few seats) as the 737-700NG

Well yea fair enough I was more thinkin of the 800 but ya still lookin at like 136 compaired to 149 give or take depending on which airline ya talk to. No doubt the 700 would be the best but cant see it happenin, look at the cost comparison and the deal that they can get on the A 319