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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:46 am
by toprob
If you've emailed me over the last few months, you might have received a late, grumpy reply because my computer has had an intermittent glitch which stops it working for a while. Sometimes I can get it going well enough to last a week, but most of the time it is out of action for a day or two. So I decided that this month I'd replace the old thing.

I normally get about half of my income from my own store, and half from SimMarket, who pay me at the beginning of each month. I'd decided to put this payment towards a new computer, and I did have a nice system all picked out, but in the run-up to the election New Zealanders have actually stopped buying my scenery, so I've had to put off upgrading until sales pick up a bit.

In the meantime I was stuck with a very flakey computer, so I had a look at 'repairing' it. I have always suspected that the problem related to a loose AGP slot, as re-seating the graphics card sometimes helped. Because I reseat it just about every second day, the slot has got looser and looser, which would explain why it packs up more and more often.

So it would make sense to replace the motherboard, but being a bit obtuse I decided instead to try another graphics card. One requirement was more graphics memory than my current 5900 with 128MB, so I was looking at Nvidia 7600s and 7800s. The 7600s go for between $200 and $300 for 256MB, and the 7800 is very rare, but available for about $600. In the end I went to ATI, and decided on the X1650 Pro with 512MB RAM, simply because it was very cheap -- $120 incl -- but also because I figured that if I had to have another rubbish AGP card, it might as well have a good amount of RAM.

I actually went for this one, since this guy lives around the corner from me, and has very good prices. I thought that this was cheap enough to give it a go, and if it didn't help I'd put it on Trademe as near-new.

I really needed to extra video RAM because I was having problems with the airport I'm working on at the moment -- a nameless international airport ninja.gif -- where the textures would go to mush when I looked at the main terminal. I wasn't expecting any increase in performance other than the ability to hold the textures sharp for longer.

I was pretty surprised that the improvement was so great. Frame-rates are steadier, textures are much crisper, and I can now get anti- aliasing to work in FSX. fsx.gif

I'd definitely recommend that if you are stuck with an old AGP system and only 128MB of graphics memory, you look at getting a card with more memory. I know there's been some discussion about this here before, and I think I've even advised against doing this (as opposed to saving up for a PCI-e MB) but I've changed my mind...

PS. Actually, it didn't make any difference to my original problem, which surprised me greatly. If it was a flakey slot, I would have expected the result to be either better or worse, but not exactly the same, so I took the graphics card out and boxed it up ready for Trademe. Putting the old graphics card back in put be back where I was -- a computer which worked for about 20% of the day -- which frustrated me rather a lot. But it did get me looking a bit closer at what might be happening. Why would it sometimes not work until I reseated the graphics card, and sometimes it would then work fine for weeks? I looked closely at what happened when I reseated the card -- the motherboard flexed a little, so maybe it was something else. I did notice that it flexed under the MB power connector, so I unplugged that (very stiff) and plugged it back in. It has worked steadily since, so I may have fixed it. I've put the new graphics card back in, and I'm steadily reflying all my favourite areas with sharper textures, and really enjoying my re-invigorated FSX.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:45 pm
by creator2003
Ah good to hear things are alittle better for you Robin ,when sales pick up again for you i still would put all that money into a new PC with later model parts ,,that would be my opinion to all people looking at upgrading a old PC with a AGP motherboard and i know you will do the same when sales let you ...

funny how the elections and other things effect everyones spending ,not that you see a slow down of people drinking out on the town and so on ...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:36 pm
by toprob
creator2003 wrote:
QUOTE (creator2003 @ Nov 7 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah good to hear things are alittle better for you Robin ,when sales pick up again for you i still would put all that money into a new PC with later model parts ,,that would be my opinion to all people looking at upgrading a old PC with a AGP motherboard and i know you will do the same when sales let you ...


Yes, I'll try to upgrade before Christmas, as soon as I can earn some extra money. On Monday I'm booked to do a job which will pay for more than half of what I need, so it is more than likely that I'll get there.
The new system will more than likely be based on a Q6600 processor, and a budget (sub-$200) graphics card for the moment, upgrading to whatever gives the best bang for 500 bucks later on.
The only thing I'm not sure about is the OS -- I do have a spare XP, which would be the cheap way to go, but I'm thinking about Vista's Media Centre capabilities, to serve the Xbox.
My daughter will inherit the old PC, so she's keen for me to upgrade.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:48 pm
by creator2003
At the moment mainly out of the way i run my system and other programs i run i have XP installed as the op system ,,if i had the extra money to upgrade the 5 computers to Vista i proberly would and just upgrade the software i use with XP to something that works with vista ,only prob there is the software is very costly and not really a must if it works fine with XP at the moment ...
the daughter will be happy wont she and i hope for her sake and ours she keeps reminding you that you need to upgrade and give the old PC to her "you go girl " biggrin.gif