AFCAD Annoyance

[Kelburn]

At KSFO there are four runways (I will use there base end for names):

28L
28R
1L
1R

At KSFO 28R and 28L are mainly used for landings with 01L and 01R used for take-off.

How can I make AFCAD honor this and use 1L and 1R for take-off and 28L and 28R for landings in FS2004.

I tried ticking the closed for take-off box in the correct runways (and same for the closed for landing boxes)

How can I make it work???

[Charl]

If you have AFCADs then you have addon scenery, right?
Search your FS folder for any other KSFO AFCADs and make sure the ones you altered are the only ones active.

[Kelburn]

Nah it's the only one (other than default which is certainly not the active one

[Ray]

Kelburn

28L and 28R are not the base ends they are 10L and 10R
if you have changed them to the base ends then you have to change the approach data
a very complex issue if you are not familiar with XML coding
and the default does not allow 1L/19R and 1R/19L to be used, only a choice for the user aircraft
AI Traffic will never use these rwy's
FS9 does not honour many closures of rwys for takeoff and landing due to the approach code
the easier option is to activate the cross wind runways with Jim Vile's technique that activates all rwy's
then you can close 1L/19L and 1R/19R for landing 19L and 19R will be used for takeoff and rwy's 28L and 28R will be used for both
if you then change the wind diirection the opposite ends for both rwys will be used the same way
you cannot mix and match ends as FS9 will not honour them

Ray

[Charl]

Ray
We were having an off-list discussion the other day about this very topic, and decided activation of crosswind runways was probably Too Hard.
This was probably entirely due to laziness, though...
Do you have some pointers in this regard?

[Ray]

Hi Charl

although it looks difficult its really quite simple using afcad2 by opening the "insert" then add the fake rwys,
the only changes we have found is to put the Fake rwy co-ordinates down at the south Pole or even the North Pole and NOT the 108nm Jim quotes here,
as user aircraft and AI can get vectored to them, putting them them the other side of the world eliminates this
and i never use the slew method i just add the South Pole co-ordinates when entering each of the headings............


here is Jim's technique he wrote on the Projectai forum way back in 03/04:

I spend most of my time developing XML ILS approachs for new runways that real world airports add.

Just recently I have noticed post where the star concept is being used without success for activating non-parallel or crosswind runways.

I am listing the technique that I use to activate certain non-parallel or crosswind runways when developing my Active ILS Series of Airports.

There are plenty of post on how to create a workable star but the problem is that aircraft will use this star when visiblity is greater then 3 miles and planes land where they are not suppose to (on the grass).

Follow these steps:

1. The star degree offset between any 2 runways that you pair together cannot be greater then 7.9 degrees. Always add 7.9 degrees or less to the True heading in runway property's. Mag heading will update and change automactically.

2. The new visual runways MUST BE a minimum of 10 X 10 ft and closed on both ends (4 ticks) for T/O and Landing. Place the new runways anywhere on the airport property until all have been added.

3. After the star is finished use the list dropdown menu in AFCAD2 and look at all the runways. The new visual runways must be placed (drag) between 2 of the default FS9 runways. When you complete this step you must now re-name all the runway link lines (black) to the original runway numbers.

Now most of you have already tried all of this and the runways still did not work. So continue

4. Slew the user aircraft in any direction at a high altitude away from the airport up to 108 NM. Use a VOR/DME (if available) to see how far away you have slewed the plane. Try and place the user aircraft at a position that does not get a lot of arrival AI Traffic.

5. Note the crosshair of your User Aircraft on the Grid of the AFCAD screen.

6. Now drag all of the star visual runways you created to the crosshair symbol using the rubberband method or the shift select keys.

7. Using AFCAD2 make sure all active runways at the current airport are open on both ends and listen to ATIS which will check and tell you the fake runways exsist if everything was done correctly.

Are you starting to see what you have now accomplished?

By placing the visual runways 100 miles from the airport all the AI Traffic arrivals will find an active runway at the airport and not a visual fictious runway 100 miles away. Based on direction and LAT/LONG of each active runway, ATC approach will vector arrivals accordingly to your new paired or additional crosswind runway based on winds.

lets take KSFO

rwy 1L19R and rwy 1R/19L, the headings are 27.74
so my first fake rwy will be, add 7.9= 36.6
next one 43.5

and so on till you get to the 10L/28R 10R/28L 117.87 and 117.88
ending up with 11 fake rwys (number them what you like) BETWEEN the true rwy's...............

there is a proper tutorial somewhere out there i don't have it or FS9 as i deleted FS9 the day FSX arrived here
but i Hope this helps

Ray

[Kelburn]

I will try (I just said base as I thought it was the base. I didn't change it)

[Kelburn]

Okay I read it but I am somewhat more confused now.