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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:41 pm
by tomkilpatrick
Hey guys, am thinking of building a new computer for Flight Sim, and web development.

Here we go:
  • CPU - Intel Core i5-4440 3.1Ghz - $210
  • CPU Cooler - Corsair H100i Water Cooler - $160
  • Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H - $235
  • RAM - Corsair Vengeance 16Gb DDR3-1600 - $190
  • Storage - Intel 335 Series 240Gb SSD - $200
  • Storage (2) - Seagate Barracuda 1Tb @ 7200rpm - $80
  • Graphics - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 - 2Gb - $274
  • Case - Cooler Master K380 - $100
  • Power Supply - Corsair 650W Semi-Modular - $184
  • Network - Asus USB 802.11 WiFi Adapt. - $114
  • Sound - Asus Xonar DGX 24-B 96KHz - $24


Total: $1,771

Okay, now here's my reasoning for each part.

CPU - I didn't want to go too overboard, the i5-4440 offers good speed and I managed to get it cheap. If I went and got an i7, it would draw too much power, and too be frank, the new socket i7's aren't cheap.
Cooler - I went for a Water Cooler basically because it's more efficient than a standard air cooler. Carries the warmer water away, then re-cools it, rather than drawing the warm air away and potentially to other components.
Motherboard - Looks kind of cool.
SSD - I went for SSD because I am going to install my OS on it, and the majority of my Flight Sim files. The other program files will go onto my HDD.
HDD - Heard they're very reliable, and it's SATA 3 enabled, so speed!
GPU - I've heard really good things about this card, and it has good support for FSX and P3D, which I plan on scoring soon(ish).
Sound + WiFi card - For mixing multi channel audio (FSX, TeamSpeak, Custom ATC, Music), and just a simple WiFi reciever to pick up channels from my Server down the hall.
Case - Not only does it look cool, but it has a lot of room for expansion and is very open - allowing excellent air flow.
Power Supply - I could get it reasonably cheap, and offered more than enough power, and has a lot more to offer if needed.

Thanks to a few friends in the right places I could get discounted prices, and I hope to have this built within a month of two.

-T

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:55 pm
by Ian Warren
I'm sure it maybe an idea to keep the SSD for your OS and the quick work ... but go a RAPTOR 1TB for FS/Sim and storage .... other than that its a thumbs up.

I did like the description and what you want the system for so, it dose make it very handy for others to add best recommends

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:43 pm
by Dontcopy
For the most part it looks reasonably good. I would ditch the watercooler in favour of a beefier GPU. A stock i5 won't throw out much heat at all and since it's a non 'k' version you're not really gonna be able to overclock it. So there is not much point in the watercooler.

You'll probably also find that the Sound Card won't offer much, if anything over the one that comes on your motherboard.

In terms of storage, have a gander at Samsungs 840 series of SSDs. Really good, but in saying that there is nothing wrong with the Intel one.
I would swap the Seagate out for a Western Digital Caviar Black/Blue, Seagate have been plagued by reliability issues lately.

Ummm, I would suggest you take a look at upgrading to an unlocked CPU if possible and definitely throwing more money at the GPU. And I'm sure you can find a cheaper WiFi adaptor than that. This for example http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components...sp?partid=20477

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:20 am
by rocky289
You will find that CPU a bit slow.
A new build for flight sim, should be capable of at least 4.0GHz.

8GB memory should be enough.

You will also need some good case fans as the CPU is not the only componant that gets hot.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:41 am
by deeknow
Yeah I'd also take the Cooler out and save money on RAM (8GB is enough) and spend it all on a faster CPU, that's where you'll see the most benefit of an upgrade.
Also, the GPU will be fine, I personally wouldn't bother at the moment with upping that, I've got the earlier generation 560Ti which is getting on a bit now but does the job nicely.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:43 pm
by tomkilpatrick
Alright, so what I've done is popped in a new CPU, HDD, RAM, got a new CPU Cooler.

Details:
  • CPU - Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz - $410
  • CPU Cooler - Noctua NH-U9B SE2 - $80
  • RAM - Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 - $120
  • HDD - WD Black Series 1TB 7200RPM - $105
  • HDD #2 - WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200RPM - $70
  • NIC - Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 - $80


New Total: $1,882

I was talked into buying the Caviar Blue as a back-up for FSX/Web Dev files by a mate of mine. The 4770K will be enough to last me a few years at least. The CPU cooler is a hefty wee thing, I've heard online that it is well worth it though. RAM - downgraded thanks to you folks winkyy.gif Still sticking with that Corsair Vengeance though - only the best. And the new NIC should do the trick - thanks Dontcopy.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:11 pm
by rocky289
Nice choice for CPU.

That cooler will be struggling.
Better to go bigger.

http://www.alphacity.co.nz/index.php?z=p&a...amp;qr=pricespy

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:36 pm
by Dontcopy
QUOTE
Nice choice for CPU.

That cooler will be struggling.
Better to go bigger.

http://www.alphacity.co.nz/index.php?z=p&a...amp;qr=pricespy[/quote]

I highly doubt that cooler would struggle, the only situation that it would struggle in is under very heavy overclocking. The Coolermaster cooler that rocky recommended is by far inferior to the Noctua.
Much better choices overall. Should be a sweet build.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:39 pm
by wildmanfiveone
Dontcopy wrote:
QUOTE (Dontcopy @ Feb 19 2014,5:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I highly doubt that cooler would struggle, the only situation that it would struggle in is under very heavy overclocking. The Coolermaster cooler that rocky recommended is by far inferior to the Noctua.
Much better choices overall. Should be a sweet build.


I have that noctua cpu cooler and would recommend the hell out of it, as dontcopy said that cooler master one just isnt good enough to cope with a 4770k

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:45 pm
by rocky289
If that is the case then I apologise for the error.
At least the OP now has 2 more opinions on his choice.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:39 pm
by deeknow
Nice one Tom, looking good mate thumbup1.gif
Now all you gotta do is build it, and post lots of pics for us drool.gif

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:41 pm
by Dontcopy
I assume you've factored in the cost of Windows? Unless you're 'obtaining' it from elsewhere

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:14 pm
by mjrhealth
I5 4670K is haswell no HT, HT not needed for FSX. Overclocks just as well, neither are predictable both lucky dip.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:58 pm
by tomkilpatrick
Dontcopy wrote:
QUOTE (Dontcopy @ Feb 19 2014,5:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I highly doubt that cooler would struggle, the only situation that it would struggle in is under very heavy overclocking. The Coolermaster cooler that rocky recommended is by far inferior to the Noctua.
Much better choices overall. Should be a sweet build.


Wasn't planning on over clocking, I don't like the feeling on messing with things that aren't meant to be messed with.

As for the OS, I was actually planning on building a 'hackintosh', converted an old PC to OSX 10.4 a couple years back, so this one shouldn't be as hard. As for FSX and Windows, I'll buy a copy of Parallels for Desktop and run Windows side-by-side with Mac and probably Ubuntu.

And yes, I'll post bucket loads of photos for you all.

-T

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:37 pm
by Dontcopy
QUOTE
Wasn't planning on over clocking, I don't like the feeling on messing with things that aren't meant to be messed with.[/quote]

That's what they all say haha

QUOTE
As for the OS, I was actually planning on building a 'hackintosh', converted an old PC to OSX 10.4 a couple years back, so this one shouldn't be as hard. As for FSX and Windows, I'll buy a copy of Parallels for Desktop and run Windows side-by-side with Mac and probably Ubuntu.[/quote]

Awesome. Interested to know how well that works out smile.gif

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:09 pm
by Ian Warren
Dontcopy wrote:
QUOTE (Dontcopy @ Feb 19 2014,10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's what they all say haha

Never OVERCLOCKED .. never will ... you want an oven .. buy an oven - stay cool with today's weather and you won't have a problem cool.gif

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:11 pm
by deeknow
tomkilpatrick wrote:
QUOTE (tomkilpatrick @ Feb 19 2014,9:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wasn't planning on over clocking, I don't like the feeling on messing with things that aren't meant to be messed with.

Hey, Over-clocking is EXACTLY what a K-model is meant to be used for tongue.gif

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:24 pm
by tomkilpatrick
Whoops winkyy.gif

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:06 pm
by Dash8captain
I would never use WD hard drives - go Seagate Iv had 3 WD hard drives fail on me - they have the biggest fail rate of any brand hard drive

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:33 pm
by Dontcopy
Check this out.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2089464/thr...ive-makers.html

FYI my Barracuda died last week after two years