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Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:41 am

okay time for the RAM upgrade, I have aproximatly $130 to spend, so not top of the range at all...

Look at this website nd click "memory" then "desktop" I am looking at the 1GB PC3200 PC3300 DDR400 SDRAM for $108.13.

My current 512mb RAM is the PC3200 type so it shoudl be compatible, I supose these two wil be compatible together? I have two slots in my motherboard btw.

I'm about to purchese the above mentioned but thought I would check here first :D

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Postby Zöltuger » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:20 am

sounds ok, i'm assuming that you're using DDR memory, not DDR2 memory? do you have the motherboard model number just to double check it'll work?
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Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:50 pm

Hi zoltuger, acording to cpu-z program I have a MS-6533, and cpu-z also says I have DDR, not DDR2 :D
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Postby ardypilot » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:54 pm

i want to know why it's so slow- doesn't Trolly have a similar computer, and he runs it with no hassle?

Just for your reference, I have a 2.4ghz Celaron, with 1.5GB RAM and a old GeForce FX5600 graphics card and I manage around 15-17 fps average per flight. In areas away from lots of autogen and busy airports I can manage up to 24-25fps, but I find turning off the shift+z red bar of text and hiding the FPS counter keeps me satisfied with the numbers out of sight and out of mind.
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Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:45 am

step one done, now I got 1gb DDR400 RAM stick :D

now on to the funner stuff :P

In some mounths I want to have a pentium D, AGP 8x with my 7600GS and 1gb of DDR ram. And of course my dvd drive and 200gb combined hard drive space.

So can I buy a mobo that supports DDR ram, AGP 8x and a 2.8-3ghz Pentium D but just use my pentium4 2.4ghz cpu untill I can afford a pentium D? I'm on an extremly limited budget, aprox $80 a mounth lol

I wana buy the new mobo and get useing it even if its just with my 2.4ghz cpu so I can have the 8x agp graphics,cos my card is actuly a 8x card....

Any advice apreciated
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Postby HardCorePawn » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:16 pm

So can I buy a mobo that supports DDR ram, AGP 8x and a 2.8-3ghz Pentium D but just use my pentium4 2.4ghz cpu untill I can afford a pentium D? I'm on an extremly limited budget, aprox $80 a mounth lol


It would appear so... This is just one example of an LGA775 based mobo (P4 and PentiumD compat), that uses DDR and AGP 8x.

Having said that... TBH, you would be better off just living with what you have until you can buy a new Mobo, CPU, RAM and PCIe vid card all at the same time. You should be able to do all this for under $800 (which given your budget is about 10 months).

Core 2 Duo E6300/Pentium D 945 3.4GHz, dual core ~ $300
256Meg 7600 GT (or 512Meg 7600 GS) PCIe ~ $180 - $200
1Gig DDR2-667 ~ $100 (2x 512m pair of dual channel sticks is around +$20-$40)
Mobo anywhere from $100 to $150 depending on final specs...

so thats 300+200+140+150 (if you take the higher values) = $790.

You will end up with a better rig, that has a longer life than if you buy (really) old, (really) out-dated tech. Otherwise you are investing in a mobo and memory that you will need to change in 6 months anyway!

And given what is likely to happen to prices, you should find you can get even better prices in like 6 months as well.

Caveats:

- These prices are rough guesstimates based on 30 secs worth of looking at PriceSpy
- You will probably need a new PSU depending on what you have now (ie. like 450W+).
- No construction costs included. ie. You would need to put it together yourself
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Postby Jimmy » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:59 am

Thanks for researching all that jared, yet due to what has been discuese in my other thread, its proably best to move on to a new mobo asap.

I would still like to go with the older agp motherboard as I can get that all sorted with a pentium D cpu, then buy 2gbs of DDR2 ram, a PCI-e graphics card (if I get the older mobo now it shodul keep me happy long enough to save for a dx10 card :P lol maby), and then a new motherboard and put it all together. With a limited budget it is a step by step process, I don't like the idea of all these system crashes, it really could damage parts I wish to use in my next system..

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Postby Jimmy » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:15 am

It would appear so... This is just one example of an LGA775 based mobo (P4 and PentiumD compat), that uses DDR and AGP 8x.


I think I will buy that mobo, I will be able to afford it ina few days. Then I can simply save up and buy something like this.

I know a guy who would proably be able to put it together for me.. So I coud have a 3.2ghz Pentium D in a matter of mounths :o :D

btw I have a 450w PSU so that shoudl be fine, my case is a metal peice of cr@p, extremly ugly, not excacly small eathier so I suppose everythign shoudl fit.

So nows the time were you wil yell "STOP", inless of course my idea is actuly quite good :P

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Postby Jimmy » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:10 pm

no "STOPS" ?

I know have the money to by that mobo so once I confirm that this guy I know can sucsefuly assemble it I will buy it :D

It shoudl hopefully give a good perforamce improvment with the 8x agp over 4 :drool:


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Postby Codge » Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:29 am

Hi Jimmy, the money for the RAM should be in your account now.
I've been saving $20 per week ($80 per month) for however long it takes to have $2200. Must be two years. This might seem like a long time but that time has flown,really. I am always wondering about beefing up my 2.4 gig CPU system. I do buy stuff that can be later put into a new PC such as hard drives etc... I don't know exactly what you're doing or trying to acheive with the system you have that you seem to be constanly tinkering with! I have decided to always keep this current PC always a working computer, as opposed to having bits and pieces that become spare and relatively worthless once you've upgraded. I will buy a whole new system built to my specs one day in the future and have my current one as part of my network. Networks and FS are made for each other, the more PC's the merrier!
I fear that you may end up anyway with a new PC by buying a part here and a part there and one day you'll realize you've replaced your whole computer and have a pile of 'old parts' that if it was left alone could've been a good running PC for your network! And you end up with an upgraded PC that you still are not entirely happy with and end up wanting to go out and buy a whole new system!
Remember what you have already is what it is. There's an old saying that says 'You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear'! I understand all this upgrading you have going on is so you can play FSX. Why not just wait and save in the meantime like slot of us? Another saying that springs to mind is 'Fools rush in where angels fear to tread' I'm not for one minute suggesting you are a fool of course, I just want to remind you and myself too that people like us that have to save hard for our PC gear can't afford to be making expensive mistakes by buying things we later regret. In about a year FSX will be well on the way to being sorted out and the hardware to run it will be too and will be alot more affordable too. I'm already hearing stories of people going out and telling a shop to 'build me an FSX machine" only to be quite dissapointed when it won't do what they wanted it to do! And that is after spending $4000! I know how hard it is to wait, especially when you are young and think there's no tomorrow and nothing happens fast enough. But if you can, and be happy with FS9 with all it's great addons in the meantime, this patience will pay off and you'll be very happy in the long run that you waited.
You want a 3.4 gig CPU right? FSX will still struggle with that too. Especially if the rest of the system is not up to speed as well as there will be a 'bottle neck' somewhere. Graphics card GPU, RAM and CPU all have to work together as you know and of course you have to power all that too! I will be going for at least 650 watts myself when the time comes in that department and a 4.8 gig CPU. So when I start thinking that way I'm really thinking of a whole new rig, case included. And this one can be retired to number 2 in the network.
While I was waiting for FSX to come out (which I still don't have) I was impatient to buy some FS stuff so I went and got the CH Products range when that opportunity presented itself as it wasn't going to become obsolete, it enhanced my FS experience alot. I'm thinking maybe Track IR4 might be next on the list and as always a projector is a big ticket item that is still on my list. I'm reasonably sure that all of these things will enhance my simming experience more than a new computer would for the same sort of money.
When I was your age and a bit older there wasn't PC's to pull to bits and modify and rebuild, it was bikes and cars and motorbikes. The time and money I wasted on those things that I should have just left alone was phenominal! I didn't know then that 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'!
Also remember that AGP stuff is going to soon be obsolete and twin PCI-e graphics cards is the way it's going so it's that sort of mobo I'll be going with when the time comes. Oh well that's me run out of steam! I'm writing this to myself too as I need to remember to take my own advice at times! I'm as tempted as the next guy to want an FSX ass kicking machine now! but I'm not sure they exist yet, but I'll be waiting untill they do and are within my budget. In the meantime my FS9 is quite sufficient and I still enjoy it as much as ever.
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Postby Jimmy » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:03 pm

I couldn't agree with you more Stephen, great advice ;)

I'm not actuly that keen to run fsx yet, I don't plan to be running fsx properly, and have vista at least for one or two years. I jsut want to be able to run fs9 with complex addons, detailed airports and jsut nice smooth 20frames. Somethign AGP 8x and a 3ghz cpu with 1 or 2 gigs of RAM should be able, and also run fsx to some minor extent when nessacery. FS9 still has so much to offer.


I know how hard it is to wait, especially when you are young and think there's no tomorrow and nothing happens fast enough. But if you can, and be happy with FS9 with all it's great addons in the meantime, this patience will pay off and you'll be very happy in the long run that you waited.


theres no tomrow? :o :ph43r: :lol:

yeah, even if I did have 4k I woudln't go out and buy a new system, fs9 wil keep me satasfied for the next year or so, I just want to get it running as it should. and hopefully buying AGP 8x mobo will alow my graphics card to run at its best and then I can simply put a cheap CPU in there and ill be happy chappy :D

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Postby gokanru » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:14 am

Codge has given you some good advice there James.I myself have just built a new computer for fs9.Compared to my old one,this one runs about three and a half times faster.My old computer was:

CPU:Barton 3000
Freq:2.1gb
HD:80 gb
Memory 1GB @DDR400
Graphics:ATI 9250 @128Meg AGP 8x
PSU:300Watt

New computer is,

CPU:Intel core 2Duo
Freq:2.13 GB
HD:200 GB Sata
Memory 2GB @DDR2 667
Graphics:Leadtek Winfast PX7600GS 256 MB DDR2 PCI Express 16X
PSU: 450 Watt

The new computer is upgradable in all areas,but my budget ran out and I couldn't squeeze any more out of She who must be obeyed.I built this up myself and had it together and running in about 3hrs.If you are going to get a new mobo then you have three choices,ABIT,ASUS,GIGABYTE,in that order,but that is only my opinion.
save the pennies James and go for the better stuff,it is well worth the wait.
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Postby Zöltuger » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:30 am

gokanru wrote: save the pennies James and go for the better stuff,it is well worth the wait.

i agree :thumbup:
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Postby Jimmy » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:39 am

.I built this up myself and had it together and running in about 3hrs.If you are going to get a new mobo then you have three choices,ABIT,ASUS,GIGABYTE,in that order,but that is only my opinion.
save the pennies James and go for the better stuff,it is well worth the wait.


yes indeed, Like this mobo is an asus, everytime I go back to that page the price is going up too! Very odd, its ment to go down... Its not a bad price and its asus, so must be reasonably good. With all these things going on with my pc its proably somehtign to do with the current mobo having issues, so I would like to get a new one prety soon..
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