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Postby toprob » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:56 pm

Cheers, Doug.

Doug actually contacted me with this, which he's given me permission to reproduce:

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Hi Robin I have been checking the .agn files and going by their numbers they are slightly different when opened in notepad I don't know anything about doing agn so i don't know if this is of any significance or not.[/quote]

He's quite right, and this actually accounts for some of the issues I'm having with this. Normally if someone steals FS files, for example textures, they need to be exact copies, so you'd expect to be able to compare files and get an exact match. Autogen, however, if a bit different, in that it is possible to alter every autogen tile for an image but simply changing the 'properties', which has happened here.

Doug compared the first agn file in the download, I think by loading into Notepad. Here's an actual comparison of this tile in Annotator, which shows buildings in red and vegetation in green:

Here's the suspect tile:



Here's the Supercity tile:



So although these tiles don't match byte by byte, there is no doubt that they are derived from the same annotation.

As I said, this is a problem because anyone who didn't understand how the autogen annotation tool worked would find it hard to recognise these as the same, as the actual files don't match. However in the Annotator it appears as an exact duplicate.

Sorry, I keep going on about this, but this is a major headache for me, with I suspect at least 2,000 downloads so far, and this file is still available.
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Postby AlisterC » Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:25 pm

Well I'm certain no one in here will be downloading it that's for sure. I'm horrified to hear this happening to you guys, you don't deserve it. Hope you get it resolved very soon sad.gif
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Postby Adrian Brausch » Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:47 pm

sounds like a sad little man, bet hes short, got no mates and tiny testicles pirate.gif
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Postby Ian Warren » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:10 pm

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sounds like a sad little man, bet hes short, got no mates and tiny testicles pirate.gif

Adrian , hope dufess reads this , tiny testicles , nah fur balls . and the cat bit em off and then spat em out !

Anyone one like this gets its own sorry ending , well not so sorry , i just wish it on them ! dry.gif
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Postby creator2003 » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:23 pm

Yeah thats if it is a man ,i havent been on all weekend and have just come back to check it all over ,WOW again ? you know who you are ,i know who you are and if you dont watch out every one will know you and your address including the police and your dodgy dealings now and in the past . . .

so back off smiliz2.png and go back to enjoying your boring life.
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Postby Splitpin » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:03 pm

brausch wrote:
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sounds like a sad little man, bet hes short, got no mates and tiny testicles pirate.gif

laugh.gif exactly how i pictured him as well......
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Postby Splitpin » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:15 am

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And simviation.com

And fsplanet as well.
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Postby deaneb » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:36 am

I've done lots of AGN's and you are so right - there is absolutely no way two people could get the same match, so this guy is a fraud a cheat and a liar. Hopefully the message gets spread througout the FS community to put a halt to his false work.
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Postby SeanTK » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:55 am

I'll alert the Simviation staff to this.
Has there been any progress with the Avsim staff in getting the files removed?
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Postby Ian Warren » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:09 pm

Thanks Sean , appears this some person "Peter Walker" has had all files remove from Flightsim.com and Avsim .
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Postby toprob » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:43 pm

Ian Warren wrote:
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Thanks Sean , appears this some person "Peter Walker" has had all files remove from Flightsim.com and Avsim .


At the moment I'm looking at this a bit more seriously -- I said all along that this guy was doing this simply to undermine the current payware developers in NZ -- mainly me. Apparently he asked Flightsim.com to remove his file as he was being harassed by me, and couldn't cope with being attacked when all he wanted was to help the community. That's very familiar, come to think of it, it's similar to the rubbish I got when the GEX landclass files were uploaded.

So this guy has pretty much done what he's set out to do, undermine my name and business. Personally, I think his testicles are a lot bigger than you've given him credit for, since he's fighting back, and winning. The obvious thing he can do now is to fade away for a few weeks and then come back with another name and another attack.

I must admit that he's right -- I have done nothing but pick on a lot of recent NZ releases, for niggly little reasons like the fact that resources, including whole sceneries, were stolen. From now on I won't be blowing the whistle on this type of thing, unless it is actually my own property involved. However since I won't be 'policing' this in future, I wouldn't be doing my job here as NZFF administrator, so I've quit my forum admin role. I'll remain as a member, and continue to moderate my Real NZ support forum, but will no longer administer the forum. Look out for an 'official' announcement once I get confirmation from the other administrators that they are happy to take over my responsibilities.
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Postby spongebob206 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:51 pm

Good to see a bit of humour about no nuts smile.gif

I too hope he reads this forum. At least our members are all genuine, honest Developers and simmers smile.gif

Keep up the awesome work guys and girls smile.gif

We all apprieciate your efforts.
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Postby IslandBoy77 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:57 pm

Hi Robin. I'm sorry to hear that you're quitting your role as admin. I personally don't think there are any conflicts of interest, and "whistle-blowing" gets a bum wrap in NZ. I see your policing of the stuff that you are aware of no more "snitch-ie" than if you were to let me know that some plonker was breaking into my house or stealing my lawn furniture (not that I've got any lawn furniture...). If the whole thing is just too much "global policeman" for you, then that's fair enough. But I, for one, think that your actions have been decent and correct, and think it is a loss for developers and simmers in general that you are dialling things back a bit.

Anyway, I hope this all doesn't mean that you will dial back your excellent scenery-creation work - that would be a crime...
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Postby toprob » Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:24 pm

IslandBoy77 wrote:
QUOTE (IslandBoy77 @ Nov 8 2010, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Robin. I'm sorry to hear that you're quitting your role as admin. I personally don't think there are any conflicts of interest, and "whistle-blowing" gets a bum wrap in NZ. I see your policing of the stuff that you are aware of no more "snitch-ie" than if you were to let me know that some plonker was breaking into my house or stealing my lawn furniture (not that I've got any lawn furniture...). If the whole thing is just too much "global policeman" for you, then that's fair enough. But I, for one, think that your actions have been decent and correct, and think it is a loss for developers and simmers in general that you are dialling things back a bit.

Anyway, I hope this all doesn't mean that you will dial back your excellent scenery-creation work - that would be a crime...


Thanks, I certainly didn't want to imply that that this was the main reason for my resignation, there are a lot of reasons, this is just the latest.

This week, as I tried to deal with a threat from a NZFF member to have the site taken down, for something which I couldn't even understand, and not for the first time, I realised that I really don't need to deal with this, so it can be someone else's turn. Now I want the same rights as anyone else to say, hey, back off, looney tunes, get a life.
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Postby IslandBoy77 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:00 pm

toprob wrote:
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This week, as I tried to deal with a threat from a NZFF member to have the site taken down, for something which I couldn't even understand, and not for the first time, I realised that I really don't need to deal with this, so it can be someone else's turn

Oh, ok - thanks for clarifying. Yes, I can certainly see how that sort of thing would be very wearying. I can't see how anything we do here could come close to being reason to take NZFF offline. Someone taking exception to Marty's stealth-bluntys maybe... tongue.gif Anyway, I'm glad your sticking about as "one of us" - very glad also that it looks like you'll carry on with your scenery stuff. thumbup1.gif
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Postby spongebob206 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:01 pm

Sorry Rob,

I was reading previous post and the kids were hassling me for food and the park. I posted my last one not reading yours.

This is a sad day. I understand your situation and will always support you and other honest members 100%

Anytime smile.gif

Thank you Robin and all that help here at NZFF. I am saddened that one member can be so malicious and vindictive.



Get a life Mr Walker if that is your name.

Please PM me if you want to meet for a coffee.
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Postby Timmo » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:04 pm

So....looks like I'll be spending tonight adding watermarks to the mesh tiles to avoid this kind of thing happening in the future- It will mean that the size of the patch is increased unfortunately.
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Postby spongebob206 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:10 pm

Timmo wrote:
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So....looks like I'll be spending tonight adding watermarks to the mesh tiles to avoid this kind of thing happening in the future- It will mean that the size of the patch is increased unfortunately.


Thanks Tim,

What can I say but $#@*&^ Buggers
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Postby NZ255 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:34 pm

Will watermarks be seen on hills and stuff Timmo?
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Postby Timmo » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:54 pm

NZ255 wrote:
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Will watermarks be seen on hills and stuff Timmo?



Nope - They won't be visible on the terrain smile.gif I'd prefer not to go into any more detail than that but it will just be a way that I can check the ownership of the files in the future.
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