fsx install and how its running now

[creator2003]

Well the time has come for me and my opinion is as follows..
install was real easy at first with normal installers exe ,then the 500mb of sp1 sp2 downloads from the fsinsider site "great download bandwith [260kb ]" but the install took the most part of the day

with my system 3.0 ghz ht and 8600 GTS 256mb / 2gig of ram ,,this is now , id hate to admit better than my fs2004 install 40flps to a steady 25 over all robins and tims photo bop and rotos
i havent done any tweaks or mods at all yet so this is a pretty good sign to me so far ...

im missing fsnav and my autopilot at the moment and alot of my helicopters and scenery but this is where ill start fixing them up to fsx standards ,
ive installed the new VOZ for fsx and will have to try that out later in the week

its got along way to go but as ive read in a article early this week all it needs is designers and programers to jump in to the fsx hole and build our ways out till fsx can achive the same standards we have got with fs2004 users

Even with my low spec puter im achiving the same clouds /high waters/agn /as i had in fs2004 if not better in alot of ways
things im going to miss alot is ezscenery /walk and follow /nav /autopilot addon /my scenery and harden pads /as350 nemeth and alot of others

ive done all i want for fs9 ,to the point that im board with it and dont enjoy the simming and modelling limitations ,i suppose everyone mite fall into that as they get sick of seeing screenshots of some pretty good photoreal scenerys out there now ,like i did

ill be going through all the addons i have and will see what works and what doesnt over the holidays
so far ive put in VOZ /
zinertek world envoriment
some aircraft
BOP and islands by tim
realnz marl robin
also the baths and stuff for rotos
topo /landclass fsx update {all looks good so far
all was pretty easy to install but i have to admit i was alittle lost with what files i was to install or not with the bop and rob roto fsx update stuff ,,more reading i suppose is need there ..
looks like ill be popping over to ARNZ and getting some repaints and stuff aswell over time

still gotta do alot more testing again and install sdks etc that really looks confussing "theres the one of the disc and there a sp2 update 200mb ,are they both the same thing or do i use both ?? not much info ready availble with these softwares ,you have to do big goggle searchs to find out what they are suppose to do ....
all and all looks like ive taken a final leap ....
pretty sad really seeing i was such a strong supporter of fs9

[SUBS17]

What OS are you running it on, with a setup like that you should go Vista and get dx10.

[creator2003]

Im still stuck with XP for the moment till all the updates and things work with 3dMAX ,but on the other hand i thought the dx10 thing was alittle way off or was not going to be continued ??
this is because i havent read anything or kept up with stuff for vista and fsx

[HardCorePawn]

QUOTE (creator2003 @ Dec 28 2007, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

things im going to miss alot is ezscenery /walk and follow /nav /autopilot addon /my scenery and harden pads /as350 nemeth and alot of others

still gotta do alot more testing again and install sdks etc that really looks confussing "theres the one of the disc and there a sp2 update 200mb ,are they both the same thing or do i use both ?? not much info ready availble with these softwares ,you have to do big goggle searchs to find out what they are suppose to do ....

<slow motion>Noooo....oooooo....oooooo....ooooo...oooo!!</slow motion> Traitor!

but seriously, you can build harden pads for FSX... placing them is a P.I.T.A. but thats probably just coz I didnt really know what I was doing... but the Object Placement Tool is a little clumsy compared to EZScenery...

NOTE: DO NOT bother getting the EZScenery FSX scenery compiler thing... unless they have radically altered the download... it was like 30 megs... 29.9 of which was some lame-ass flash video demo showing what you can do!! grrrrrrr

As for the SDK... you need to install the one on the install discs... and then get the various SDK service packs...

go to FSInsider Downloads and get:

"FSX Software Development Kit Update SP1A"

and

"FSX SDK - SP2 Update"

Then install the SDK from Disc... install the SDK SP1A update and then install the SDK SP2 update...

[creator2003]

Cheers dude for the info ,installed the kaman tonight and got some werid happening but will see if i just installed it wrong ,got a nice screenshot though ,mite be alittle bright but nice all the same

[ZK-MAT]

Love that pic, Mike!

The trees, the bank beside the water, the water itself, the helo ... well just the whole thing looks sexy.

[Alex]

Veeery nice Mike, thats a stunner!

Alex

[Charl]

Some tweaks and tips summarised here, might be of help in getting FSX up and running.
And here's a 30-page pdf documentof Tips Tweaks and Config

[ZK-MAT]

Eagerly awaiting more news of the install...

Where has the picture gone?

[creator2003]

Pic showed up for me after awhile ,thanks for the tweak info aswell charl ill be having aday of simming today so will update with some more news ltrz..
im testing out marl at tha mo and im getting 30+all around on normal to me settings ,detail is really nice

[HardCorePawn]

QUOTE (creator2003 @ Dec 30 2007, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

im testing out marl at tha mo and im getting 30+all around on normal to me settings ,detail is really nice

be thankful your TrackIR is not running... it has a negative effect on my frame rates

Also, I have heard various and conflicting reports about Tweaks now that SP2 is out... some people reckon its OK, others reckon you should leave SP2 alone... have you tried many of them Charl?

[creator2003]

Ive just tryed them all and i dont see any good from them anymore ,but thats life,and i was happy anyway really ..
the track is still not working and ive only just changed the drivers and got rid of nhancer ,,still no go . im thinking i have to reinstall the trackIR4 software and do the updates again ,after that im not sure ..
anyway all is well and im still having fun ,just gotta work out the fshost to join inspire server and all will be nearly normal

[Charl]

QUOTE (HardCorePawn @ Dec 30 2007, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

be thankful your TrackIR is not running... it has a negative effect on my frame rates Also, I have heard various and conflicting reports about Tweaks now that SP2 is out... some people reckon its OK, others reckon you should leave SP2 alone... have you tried many of them Charl?

Nah I was hoping Mike would guineapig them - when I do run FSX, it is plain vanilla Accelerator, no addons, no traffic, and sliders maxxed.
It would be better on XBox I fancy

[creator2003]

Well ive been testing out alot and are dissapointed from the side effects of alot of addons that were built so called for fsx ,
first of all i managed to get the trackIR4 to work by updating the version of software to the latest version ,didnt see that update there ,so all is working ok apart from the shift/enter or shift/backspace where now if i want to rise the seat so called ,i have to disable the trackir4 and use those buttons to rise and lower but as soon as the track is able again it just resets the view back to the middle "bugger"

next problem is that most of the windows screens in addons are very dark shades or you cant see through them example below of the kaman "i know not yet fsx ready " but problems all the same


next is the rotor textures or props on planes ,even payware ones for fsx and door animations dont work or cut out the view behind them "really bad "if they are designed for FSX ,but i dont see that they have done anything to change them to be compat apart from sticking "4 FSX "on the installer exe

next grip is scenery ,where to start

one that comes to my head is my own scenery that ive made and tested in the first versions of fsx without sp1 sp2 "simply dont show up at all anymore " this is a big one to me since the last time i installed them in X they worked and showed up -not the hardens ofcourse ,,but to not show up at all is pretty werid and making feel abit sad ....

next is the marl addon "and this is not just pointing fingers " just things that are happening alot with other addons i have designed for X ,,the trees are not working properly around the airport
there are problems of how the alpha channels and the rotate to user work as i cant see anything behind them like if there are buildings there all i see are broken tree lines "the squares or shape of the models "
this just makes the sceney dissaper behind them and doesnt look that good ..
im really surprized there isnt more ppls around here that mite of pointed that out already ...or is this just me

the flight dynamics of aircraft are a hell of alot different from fs9 "maybe worst " helicopters 4 example are just to easy to fly now and it makes anyone look like a pro chopper pilot ...

next would be the window double screen mode "the other screen just goes black unless i go outta full screen mode so i can run auto pilot windows maps etc on the other screen "
will have to do alot of work and install nhancer again to bugger with the default profiles

also as said above in one of my posts that the tweaks arent really any good ,though i need to do something about the blurries

so with all the above stuff going on buyers be warned that if you are going to buy a addon for X that was also designed for fs9 and just updated to X you should really do your ground work as it looks like its just a circus out there trying to quickly update without working out some of the little things ...
things to look out for are

1.animations "not all the doors or switches have been updated to the standed they where for FS9 "
2. textures are not fully compat and have dark textured windows in vc that you wouldnt be able to land with or see the great land textures
3.software/hardware "make sure they are compatible "ive heared from crazy that none of his GO flight products work yet and they are working on are update ...

there are just to many to think of and list but ive come across way to many things wrong already with this,
not saying im giving up again but they will need to be fixed and im going to have to build all my scenery again "thats alot of work "

good points of the tests are that i used the fshost client to connect lastnight to inspire "no problem real ezy "

next i found a autopilot update to my old one i liked using "FSXpilot " from avsim "problem with that is that it doesnt run inside of fsx now like it did with fs9 so with the double window problem it really sucks abit having to run it all outta full screen mode


im still having fun though with all the new life it has brought to me as i was getting sick of fs9 abit seeing it was fully working and nothing to do really for me
with the missions and other new stuff with X i should be able to relive those fun fs9 days with X "hopefully"


anyway if you know how to fix something here that ive written or just want to comment on my opinion feel free to do so ...

[Naki]

Also love that Kaman pic Mike! Has a surreal look about it.

You had me sold on FSX earlier but with your latest posting I have changed my mind

[G-HEVN]

Now that the dust around SP2 is starting to settle, things should get better, as devs get to grips with what techniques you can and cannot use. The sim is now stable, and people are no longer developing for a moving target. Hopefully there will be updates to the "showcase" sceneries (Robin?), although these things can take some considerable time to fix.

[happytraveller]

My Experiences of FSX

I have got around to installing FSX and also SP1 and it is better than FS9. First thing was to transfer some things from FS9 (20m mesh, NZ Topo, St Maarten etc.) Flying low, the ground is much sharper and the detail is better. Frame rates are good so far, but I did notice that trying Aerosoft LHR, that then the frame rates dropped. It seems ok until you change the default settings, as once you increase settings to medium/high then the frame rates take a hit. Same thing seems to happen with the weather setting, it is ok if you run it at default but increase the density of weather then the frame rates seem to fall. I managed around 30-40fps on default settings, but it fell to around 11fps on the LHR scenery. Frame rates also seem to fall when the ground traffic is increased, guess that they all sap processor power. I am running it on a 4GB RAM system, so would have thought that it would have coped without any problems.

For now, I will continue to run both FS9 and FSX and see how they compare, but my overall impression is that FSX still demands too much for the average computer set-up unless you want to stick to default settings. Obviously, a lot more trial and error to go, and a lot of tweaking, time spent that I would rather be actually simming. FS9 at maximum settings is good, once you are high enough above the ground, and the water effects of FSX are great, but FSX still leaves something to be desired performance wise.

PS. Am I right in thinking that the flying birds in FSX will only appear if I fly a mission? So far, not a sighting of a single bird over NZ!!!

Smooth landings.

Intel Dual Core 2.2
250GB HD
Nvidia 8600GT
4GB RAM

[creator2003]

I found some birds in robins scenery at the rotorua sightseeing spot over near tims blue baths from AVSIM ,think ive seen others in NZCX too .

20-60flps thats pretty much what im getting but i do have pretty high settings that ill back off abit sometimes ,im not locking the flps so i get a steady 25 around most places so far .
i dont know about you guys but i get the feeling the flp count" is or has "a different effect to the way i feel in fsx, like 15flp isnt that bad at all in fsx but 15 in fs9 is like you really notice it more ,jar jar ,
its like its smoother over all

next test is the missions i did a couple last time i had it installed and i really like this part of the sim ,this is going to make all the difference when it comes to new scenery's "a little more purpose to a flight "
The rescue mission i did way back was pretty dam good and im going to try my hand at this part of the sdk packs
the sdk packs where pretty easy too install but ive still got abit of work to do there ..

In alot of ways i don't want to reinstall fs2004 so it pushes me not to look back and learn new things ,but i will no doubt do it so i can finish the airport im building .
i pretty convinced that fsx is the way to go now for me though ill need to update some parts in my computer ,but i do that alot anyway ,CPU mite be next ,but the old P4 3.0ghz ht kicks some butt still .

[G-HEVN]

You really can't directly compare fps between FSX and FS9. Think of it more like "dog years" -- 15fps in FSX is equivalent to 25fps in FS9 (exact numbers may be different, since this is based on feel rather than measurement)

Is there any reason why you've only installed SP1, and not SP2?

The flying birds are just another 'scenery' element (like a hangar, or barn, or whatever), and will only appear in the landscape if the designer has put them there.

[gokanru]

Hi Mike,
Have a look on the avsim forum under FSX for some answers regarding SP2.The general concensus seems to indicate that any tweaks before SP2 shouldn't be applied if you have SP2 installed as a lot of the issues were fixed.At the moment I am playing the waiting game for things to develope,but you do have to be careful what aircraft you add in as a lot of them appear to be just so called upgraded FS9 stuff.