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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:26 pmPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:44 pmAs i said , without a dout brussel sprout
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:01 pmAwesome!
Wonder if they would do NZAA?
Wonder if they would do NZAA?
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:45 amI just can't wait to see what you talented mob can do ala NZx
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:56 amNzeddy wrote:QUOTE (Nzeddy @ Jun 14 2009, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wonder if they would do NZAA?
This is were the NZ design peoples Robin and Mike come in and mesh the photo real into the , ...well we will wait and see what Orbx/FTX comes up with , in the mean time carry on doingwell just carry on doing
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:47 amThere is already Auckland city built you just havent seen it yet ,one hell of a city if i do say so myself ...
i like this quote from there site it sums it up for me
i like this quote from there site it sums it up for me
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Ok you convinced me to open my trap............... The answer is "NO" because to be honest in the past there has been too many price changes along with discounts and offers of bonuses then followed by another offer and discount then price hikes. Another point is ORBX has always said they will give no release date because of development which can change at any point which I can see a 4 month time frame possible of punching out way beyond the 4 months. The above are my reasons from my own observation I don't mean to be harsh but just telling it like I see it as a customer no more no less........[/quote]
pretty honest opinion and its not far of the mark ..
pretty honest opinion and its not far of the mark ..
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:34 pmI to wish they would respect the independent scenery developers. Case in point there North America PNW. Im not buying the product, why I have some of the best freeware airports for that regions made by MoCat. I cant stand to loose my USCG Coast Guard Stations. If I buy that package id loose my Lands End Seaplanes ventures a Scenery pack of over 100 airports and seaplane areas. Also I think we in the US only need FTX textures as were spoiled already with Scenery, compared to New Zealand. I have enough trouble getting Transload Virtuals Scenery by you and Garry into FTX Blue, so are members who fly FSX can enjoy YTLI and YTMD.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:03 pmWell looks like it may not be happening Quote from John - "Probably not, and I sense there is just enough 'nays' at this early stage for the idea to not have legs."
So doubt it will happen soon. Looks like their chopping and changing has caught up with them.
A number of people voicing their valid reasons.
I haven't seen anything where they are already building the airports, and really I think this would be the time to step up and really start working on a NZx to fit into it.
A NZ Scenery project has been proposed a number of times, and nothing has happened. I think if nothing is done from the NZ'ers then the Aussies will likely do it.
So doubt it will happen soon. Looks like their chopping and changing has caught up with them.
A number of people voicing their valid reasons.
I haven't seen anything where they are already building the airports, and really I think this would be the time to step up and really start working on a NZx to fit into it.
A NZ Scenery project has been proposed a number of times, and nothing has happened. I think if nothing is done from the NZ'ers then the Aussies will likely do it.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:33 pmHopefully they don't fully take over
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:52 pmLooks like John didn't like people expressing their opinion of all the changes etc that they've done.
No more prepays - ever apparently, no more discounts, and higher prices - less input, first time I've seen him get that upset.
Shame, I liked prepaying when I had the money, as he rightly points out, the products were good, but at the moment I can't afford the new stuff, nor have the system to run it satisfactory.
No more prepays - ever apparently, no more discounts, and higher prices - less input, first time I've seen him get that upset.
Shame, I liked prepaying when I had the money, as he rightly points out, the products were good, but at the moment I can't afford the new stuff, nor have the system to run it satisfactory.
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:55 amAS YOU ALL WELL NO !
Im the first to see an item i like , and without hesitation will buy it ! I Have all the ORBX FTX scenery , ... There are many who continuosly plug away in our own time whether its adding to works , helping in any way , this is the NZ scenes .. what i do , i can only get done in the time i have , with the introduction of a far widen base example the BLUE GOLD GREEN and RED , this covers the area of OZ .. it worked , buy Avalon airport photoreal area and see how that blends in , With REALNZ scenery this will become a bonus .
All this takes time , to have a bunch of people who ( are they simmers or skimmers and whiners ) want everything now ! let them pick a target , a FSX airport close to them and start to build it from scratch .
I looking back on the ORBX forum , there are people who are unapprecitive of the art , design modeling and really just want everything for nothing . Us purists .. BRING IT ON!.
Im the first to see an item i like , and without hesitation will buy it ! I Have all the ORBX FTX scenery , ... There are many who continuosly plug away in our own time whether its adding to works , helping in any way , this is the NZ scenes .. what i do , i can only get done in the time i have , with the introduction of a far widen base example the BLUE GOLD GREEN and RED , this covers the area of OZ .. it worked , buy Avalon airport photoreal area and see how that blends in , With REALNZ scenery this will become a bonus .
All this takes time , to have a bunch of people who ( are they simmers or skimmers and whiners ) want everything now ! let them pick a target , a FSX airport close to them and start to build it from scratch .
I looking back on the ORBX forum , there are people who are unapprecitive of the art , design modeling and really just want everything for nothing . Us purists .. BRING IT ON!.
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:36 pmLMerraine wrote:QUOTE (LMerraine @ Jun 14 2009, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Looks like John didn't like people expressing their opinion of all the changes etc that they've done.
No more prepays - ever apparently, no more discounts, and higher prices - less input, first time I've seen him get that upset.
What happened, I imagine they've taken it off? Can't find anything
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:05 pmI think it was a combination of things, but mainly that people were voicing they didn't like all the changes that have happened in the past with things.
Discounts changing often, but more recently that the actual items on the latest disc changed, and people were worried that this may happen in the future.
The no's posted longer messages than the yes's effectively.
I think they got a bit of ribbing with the error on the SP3 disc as well, but they are releasing a new disc, and replacing them all free of charge to the purchaser - including postage.
I must say I find their approach quite refreshing with support, but I'm guessing that is likely to change to like most others now, where they distance themselves a bit. I hope not, as that's part of what I find refreshing about Orbx.
Discounts changing often, but more recently that the actual items on the latest disc changed, and people were worried that this may happen in the future.
The no's posted longer messages than the yes's effectively.
I think they got a bit of ribbing with the error on the SP3 disc as well, but they are releasing a new disc, and replacing them all free of charge to the purchaser - including postage.
I must say I find their approach quite refreshing with support, but I'm guessing that is likely to change to like most others now, where they distance themselves a bit. I hope not, as that's part of what I find refreshing about Orbx.
Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:42 pmWell it has been confirmed:
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OK a heads up.
We will be doing NZ in 2010. We have the data, mesh, source imagery and Holger and Matt are keen to do it, and it won't take a huge amount of work, perhaps about 6 months or so. So take it as a given that FTX NZ is incoming in 2010. It will be done in two regions; South Island (BLUE), and North Island (GOLD).
Now ... will we do Alaska or perhaps another USA/Canada area before we start NZ? That's something which has not been decided yet.
Europe? Hmmm, tricky one. The main issue is getting affordable high quality source imagery, which is why more USA regions and NZ will come before Europe.[/quote]
http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php?to...45642#msg145642
Will be interesting for sure
We will be doing NZ in 2010. We have the data, mesh, source imagery and Holger and Matt are keen to do it, and it won't take a huge amount of work, perhaps about 6 months or so. So take it as a given that FTX NZ is incoming in 2010. It will be done in two regions; South Island (BLUE), and North Island (GOLD).
Now ... will we do Alaska or perhaps another USA/Canada area before we start NZ? That's something which has not been decided yet.
Europe? Hmmm, tricky one. The main issue is getting affordable high quality source imagery, which is why more USA regions and NZ will come before Europe.[/quote]
http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php?to...45642#msg145642
Will be interesting for sure
Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:43 pmYAZY, but this will be in competition with Timmon's project though 
Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:02 pmyes..... but Timmo's close to completion though, I think?
Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:24 pmQUOTE (8252009)
but this will be in competition with Timmon's project though [/quote]
Jezzz , I should be in Politics , total reversal ...
Always buy New Zealand made first , come on you guys , Timmo's work is already freely out there , its good , .. Im looking at the quality backup service with being a NZFF member
I will purchase and look at the Orbx version , but have feelings Mr Tim Barnes has really stepped up to the mark .
Its going to be an interesting 2010 .
[/quote]Jezzz , I should be in Politics , total reversal ...
Always buy New Zealand made first , come on you guys , Timmo's work is already freely out there , its good , .. Im looking at the quality backup service with being a NZFF member
I will purchase and look at the Orbx version , but have feelings Mr Tim Barnes has really stepped up to the mark .
Its going to be an interesting 2010 .
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:30 amMy Money is on Timmo at the moment,and I totally agree with Ian.After all look at what happened to fs9 when Christian delivered.20metre mesh and landclass,and Timmo is using the good data,so I know where my money is going to
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:39 amIan Warren wrote:QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Dec 3 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Jezzz , I should be in Politics , total reversal ...
Always buy New Zealand made first , come on you guys , Timmo's work is already freely out there , its good , .. Im looking at the quality backup service with being a NZFF member
I will purchase and look at the Orbx version , but have feelings Mr Tim Barnes has really stepped up to the mark .
Its going to be an interesting 2010 .
I guess I need to practise what I preach -- I've always said that competition is a good thing, and Orbx have filled a huge gap in FSX for Australia, making it a lot more attractive.
One thing which excited me about Timmo's scenery is that New Zealand airports 'fit' a lot better, compared to the stark contrast between a photo airport and the default textures. This means that I don't need to worry as much about aerial photos, and can concentrate on the actual airports. The mess which is aerial imagery in New Zealand at the moment, since the military got into sourcing and distributing, means that my original plans of a photographic New Zealand are just not going to happen.
Hopefully this blending will work just as well with Orbx. As I said, Orbx textures are attractive, but I'd need to live with it for a while to see how accurate they are. I am aware, though, that the general simmer can't help but love the little touches which make Orbx what it is. I have a lot of questions -- for instance, one of the major issues I have with FSX is the difference between the landclass textures and the autogen trees -- there is normally no colour-matching, which is one reason why the trees look so unrealistic. Orbx solve this beautifully by only using the trees which match. Which isn't a lot, so although it looks really good in Australia, I don't know how one or two trees repeated endlessly over New Zealand would add to the 'realism'.
Like Ian, and most of us I guess, I'd buy both. For all I know '2010' might be an Australianism for next Christmas. A year is a long time in FS, so I wouldn't worry too much about Timmo...
In 2010 New Zealand developers will have the chance to make some great airports, without having to spend all the time and resources just to make their lovely airport look like it belongs in the sim.
Reading this back, it does seem like a bit of a left-handed compliment (with apologies to left-handers -- I'm kind of proud of the sinister connotations) to Orbx, but this not my intention. I am a bit wary of their marketing methods, but I do have a tremendous respect for their business. In the long-run they can only help us local simmers. But they are not the answer to everything when it comes to FSX.
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:27 pmI'll probably buy both too, at first I was jumping at the idea at an FTX NZ, but now knowing so many (well a few) developers from this site I'm a bit worried. Seems like they might take over a bit.
Hopefully not, but yes it will be an interesting 2010 for sure.
Hopefully not, but yes it will be an interesting 2010 for sure.