NZFF

Hi Guys

I have been flying VATSIM recently and on my first go flew a metro III from NZTG to NZAA and got a real relaxed controller, very friendly and forgiving. So once I got my confidence up I decided to do a 733 from WGTN to AKL but then I got a controller who likes the realism. Now I went to routefinder and got a route which was tasking up the country inland....

Well the controller wasent impressed for one thing going north you alt has to be odd numbers ie 31000 and I was 30000 and the other well 737's just dont travel where I was travelling so has anyone got a place where I can get RL routes from I looked at AIP and it really only has airport info (from what I can understand anyway) OR should I not be flying VATSIM as I am not a RL pilot????

as you can see I need alot of help but then again maybe I should just go back to building them I mean how many AC designers are pilots in RL

Hmm, VATSIM isn't quite my forté, but I think I can help a wee bit here. The route should be no problem, unless you get some real d**k, your route will not be refused, however they can ask you nicely to change your route for a number of reasons.

But they can ask you to comply with NoSe (North - Odd / South - even) flight levels, which is what is used in real life in New Zealand. And then they should not refuse you from flying somewhere...

In the AIP, select the departure aerodrome, and in most cases there will be a chart called 'Standard Route Clearances', or similar. This will show you a route which is most commonly used between listed airports.

Sounds like a bad experience to me. It happens every now and then, pick yourself up and keep on going, don't let pricks bring you down.

Alex

PS: It might help to check out Matts posting in this thread.

Hey Danbo. Try this NZ routefinder instead. It's from the VATPAC website, not the NZ IVAO one, so VATSIM controllers might like the routes more. Usually if you're altitude's wrong the controller will query this when you submit your flightplan.

Hi there,

goto AIP Aerodrome Charts and look in the Standard Route Clearance, like Alex said

e.g.

NZAA-NZWN

WN AAWN2 H384 TR M639
WN AAWN8 H277 OR H412 TR M639 (10,000ft and below)

Matthew

Just so everyone knows, Matthew is a frequent VATSIM controller in NZCH. Matt, do virtual controllers actually really prefer those routes, or is it more of a realism thing?

realism mostly

Matthew

Thanks guys, I just got the feeling they preferred me to have some real flight experience and an FMC

Hey Matthew, I'm lookin up the std route clearances from Nelson to AA.
It says H126 OR H227. I know OR is the Ohura VOR, but how do I find out where H126 and H227 are? Are they waypoints? Victor airway intersections?

When I travelled in Real life in a Dash 8 (in the cockpit, we went to Raglan Beach (Waypoint POKOM) after Ohura.

Can you clarify this? The Std route clearances are here:
http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZNS_61.1.pdf

Cheers,
Brock

Brock,

H126 and H277 are high altitude airways between navaids.

These routes r the same:

NS H126 OR H277 AA

NS DCT OR DCT AA

To get the high alt airways, look at a IFR Area chart, or perhaps the Map/GPS in FS2004

Matthew

I get my routes from:

http://www.vatpac.org/nzair/preferred.htm

H126 and H227 are airways (like highways in the sky). As far as where the airways are, I get the details from FS Nav, if you don't have that I would suggest to follow the specific airport departure procedure then head direct to OR then from there head direct to the arrival NDB according to what end of the arrival airport you are landing on.

Themost direct route between two intersections on a route would be the airway, the above method would be close enough, and any atc on will give vectors if you are lost.



Matt

Edit: Matt M answered it in less words, above

So High-altitude airways are the same as "J-airways" in FSX?

monkeybdg wrote: So High-altitude airways are the same as "J-airways" in FSX?

It depends, in New Zealand they are, as we have only one layer of airway.
But in Europe and North America (among other places), they have V (Victor) airways, which are low altitude airways and J (Juliet / Jet) airways, which are high altitude.

And you can find a list of all the airways in NZ in the AIP somewhere, under General or En-Route sections, I would find them now, but am on a different PC with not Adobe installed, and all the documents are .pdf.

Alex

Thanks for clearing it all up Alex.

Found 'em.

Domestic airways: http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/ENR_3.2.pdf

Happy reading,

Alex

nice one Alex

Matthew

I saw this document when I looked it up on aip, suffice to say now I know why not alot of newbies want to fly on AVSIM I have no idea whatsoever as to what this doc is trying to tell me

Matthew wrote: Brock,

H126 and H277 are high altitude airways between navaids.

These routes r the same:

NS H126 OR H277 AA

NS DCT OR DCT AA

To get the high alt airways, look at a IFR Area chart, or perhaps the Map/GPS in FS2004

Matthew

NS H126 OR H277 AA

NS DCT OR DCT AA

Just to clarify here - NS H126 OR H277 AA is not the same as NS DCT OR DCT AA. The airways may be a straight line in nature however there are waypoints along the way. The route a FMC would accept would be:

NS via H126 OR via H277 AA and then apon entering this and changing to the legs pages you'd get a list of waypoints the FMC will follow including the main NAVAIDS (NZ, OR, and AA). The complete route the aircraft would fly is:

NS SELTA OR POKOM WI AA

It is prefered if you are flying IFR on the VATSIM network that you use the correct standard route however on occassions you may request a non-standard IFR route. It is not typical of airlines to pick non-standard IFR routes but perhaps due to forecast weather conditions or similar they may request it.

Hope this helps B)

Leon,

Well said

Matthew

Hi Leon. I've seen you a few times on VATSIM, but I usually base myself at NZCH. Anyway, how do you figure out what waypoints are on these airways (POKOM and SELTA)? I know where these are, POKOM is near Raglan and SELTA is nearer Nelson, but how'd you find out they were part of the specified route? Is there some sort of online database?

ronindanbo wrote: I saw this document when I looked it up on aip, suffice to say now I know why not alot of newbies want to fly on AVSIM I have no idea whatsoever as to what this doc is trying to tell me

Basically it tells you the start, end and reporting points on the airway.

And they aren't really required, I know I would accept a flight plan without airways, but I would be happier if they were in there.

Alex