FSX: Government Gardens

[Timmo]

Here is the video I presented to the 2007 ESRI GIS user conference last week....It shows the Rotorua Government Gardens which should be released shortly (just need to tidy up a few things first)

[creator2003]

Cool dude ,sadly i was unable to watch it though as goggle just wasnt loading up or was just taking forever ,i gave it 30min ...wouldnt mind seeing it .
ill try later tonight if i need that much bandwith "nice one telecom"

[toprob]

That's pretty amazing. It seems to be the sort of thing that Microsoft are getting at with ESP, announced this week -- the technology of FSX in a training/visualisation environment. There may be a market for designing for ESP down the track.
Of course it could be seen as a way to charge folk like the council US$799 for the privilege:) I suspect that MS may get around to tightening up on their FSX EULA.

[ardypilot]

Amazing, the high res ground textures really set it off!

[Charl]

QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 16 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's pretty amazing. It seems to be the sort of thing that Microsoft are getting at with ESP, announced this week -- the technology of FSX in a training/visualisation environment. There may be a market for designing for ESP down the track.
Of course it could be seen as a way to charge folk like the council US$799 for the privilege:) I suspect that MS may get around to tightening up on their FSX EULA.

You're doing great work, Timmo.
I also had a little EULA bell go off though.
FSX one talks specifically about limiting use to "Entertainmant".

They'd be aware of the very different pricing structure of commercial software, and would want to limit commercial exploitation of the flightsim package.

Robin, I'd reckon there is a lot of scope inside that ESP platform for future visualisation work.
There's a huge software resource underpinning it, and many applications, GIS-based for development, tourism etc.

[Timmo]

Yep- They certainly have the base there (i.e 3D rendering engine, translation of GIS data etc) and with a little work could market it very easily.....$800 is nothing in the scheme of things ($100 NZD even less so). NZ is controlled by a monopoly supplier for ESRI products and we get charged through the nose for our GIS software....the two 3D packages that ESRI provide (for like $80 000 per year) cant replicate the visual quality that FSX can (but at the same time FSX is not a 3D GIS whereas ArcScene and ArcGlobe are- there are textural links, reprojections etc etc which slow things down)

The ELUA states:
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. Licensed Device. The licensed device is the device on which you use the software. You may install and use one copy of the software on the licensed device. Except where this software is sold with development tools, this software is for entertainment purposes only. Where this software is sold with development tools, it may be used with those development tools as well as for entertainment purposes. In any event, this software cannot be part of an approved training program under the standards of the FAA or any other regulatory agency. Use of this software or any part of it to transfer data to another program not related to this software is prohibited.


This is a little vague to be honest...

I think this is more to cover Microsofts behind (specifically for flight training id imagine) more than limiting the software to just gaming....but you are right: Techinically it makes my visualisations just 'representations' so they wouldnt stand up in the Environment Court for example.

[dnkiwi]

the video looks very cool and could u tell me i how can download this please

[Timmo]

well you can either invent a time machine, go into the future a little bit and download it from Avsim or wait a few days and then download it from Avsim

Its not quite ready yet but isnt too far away

[toprob]

QUOTE (Timmo @ Nov 17 2007, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yep- They certainly have the base there (i.e 3D rendering engine, translation of GIS data etc) and with a little work could market it very easily.....$800 is nothing in the scheme of things ($100 NZD even less so). NZ is controlled by a monopoly supplier for ESRI products and we get charged through the nose for our GIS software....the two 3D packages that ESRI provide (for like $80 000 per year) cant replicate the visual quality that FSX can (but at the same time FSX is not a 3D GIS whereas ArcScene and ArcGlobe are- there are textural links, reprojections etc etc which slow things down)

The ELUA states:
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. Licensed Device. The licensed device is the device on which you use the software. You may install and use one copy of the software on the licensed device. Except where this software is sold with development tools, this software is for entertainment purposes only. Where this software is sold with development tools, it may be used with those development tools as well as for entertainment purposes. In any event, this software cannot be part of an approved training program under the standards of the FAA or any other regulatory agency. Use of this software or any part of it to transfer data to another program not related to this software is prohibited.
This is a little vague to be honest...

...it does seem that tidying up the EULA is one of the main reasons for ESP. This from Phil Taylor's blog:

QUOTE

ESP has a EULA that enables you to ship your solution commercially. We found many organizations were already using FSX in violation of the entertainment-side EULA. One purpose of ESP is to serve as a vehicle to convert these organizations from gray to white.[/quote]

[Alex]

Nice stuff Timmo, looking very impressive.

Alex