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Defense white paper

Postby Splitpin » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:05 pm

Interesting reading ... out with the P-3's ? Wigram better make space for one .
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:14 pm

I deleted a post today/this morning to add to this , pleased you started this .. I also have something on my mind what should be added.
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Splitpin » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:44 pm

No other comments on this .... odd. We have been rebuilding the RNZAF for years on this forum , and when the real deal appears .... nothing .
Well , i think the Poseidon is a natural replacement for the P-3 , staying inline with the Oz people ..... wedge tails etc.
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:41 pm

Think its the scared to speak up 'no politic's' dribble .... give me a aircraft carrier as well :D
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby cowpatz » Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:22 pm

The proposed budget everyone is bitching about needs to be put into perspective.
It is $20 billion over 15 years or $1.33 billion a year.
The current dairy farm debt stands at $40 billion, $20 billion of which is owed by only 2000 farms.
I just hope they dont spend it on more useless LAVs and ships that roll over.
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:03 am

cowpatz wrote:I just hope they dont spend it on more useless LAVs

The LAV's are fine, Just get used the wrong way, the few spears should be issued to the police department as anti automobile/boy racer weapons , painted black patrolling the streets at the early morning , if they don't stop shoot em ... if they do "SWASH" whoops sorry :D
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Re: Defense white paper

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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:53 am

Paul , I'm surprised it took this long for the connection :lol: ..... now wipe that smile of your face !
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Fozzer » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:58 am

Ian Warren wrote:Paul , I'm surprised it took this long for the connection :lol: ..... now wipe that smile of your face !


..... :lol: ... :lol: ... :lol: ...!

Paul.... :D ...!
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby emfrat » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:10 am

Ian Warren wrote:Think its the scared to speak up 'no politic's' dribble .... give me a aircraft carrier as well :D

In a couple of years we'll probly be flogging these off to fund the pollies' pensions :mad:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-10/h ... me/7499638
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:18 am

"HMNZS Pollies pensions" ... now were is that LAV paper now, maybe New Zealand should buy one B-)
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:23 am

Found it again .... this is what you got and what we need B-)
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby SUBS17 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:36 pm

Replacing those ships that they just bought a few years back...total waste of money.
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby tomkilpatrick » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:17 pm

Been thinking about the potential fleet replacements with friends and the guys I work with, and this is what we're speculating:

P-3K2 Replacement: It has to be the P-8. There's nothing else really out there that can match the effectiveness of our Orions right now. Personally, I'd like to stay away from Boeings as a potential replacement and get more P-3s since the service infrastructure is there, but it's not seeming that way.

Herc Replacement: The C-17s are out of the deal. Their maintenance and flight costs as astronomical in comparison to the Herc. There's 3 potential players in the market right now. The Airbus A400M, getting new Hercs, or the Embraer KC-390. If you got two A400s (for NH90 transport), and four or five new -J hercs, that would work well.

We've just got new Sprites (SH-2G(I)), as you'll all probably know, and other that that there's not much capability that needs to be replaced. Other than the B757-2K2, I don't even know what might replace that. Maybe potentially score some cheap used B767s? Who knows.

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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:30 pm

Tom , I would prefer the Boeing only not just interest sake but our NZ - US history sake to Boeing, fleet helio's .. the SH-2's would suit the current fleet and the Cargo ... A-400s would not be cheap either!
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby NZ255 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:31 pm

tomkilpatrick wrote:P-3K2 Replacement: It has to be the P-8. There's nothing else really out there that can match the effectiveness of our Orions right now. Personally, I'd like to stay away from Boeings as a potential replacement and get more P-3s since the service infrastructure is there, but it's not seeming that way.

What about the Kawasaki P-1
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Lindstrim » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:43 pm

NZ255 wrote:

What about the Kawasaki P-1[/quote]

+1

But it will be interesting to see how the 737 airframe handles the low level activities required.

You've also missed the C-27 for a tactical transport role, as opposed to the A400
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby tomkilpatrick » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:04 pm

As a comparison, the C-27's current cost is NZD$75m, as opposed to the A400M's NZD$238m, in comparison to brand new C-130Js at NZD$95m (at USAF flyaway costs, so will be much higher).

P-8s are going for NZD$242m, as opposed to the P-1 at NZD$199m.

The P-1s sole operator is the JMSDF. The RAF has displayed an interest in both the P-1 and the P-8, but my guess is that the RAF will go P-8 since that is what the American's are using. And since the US and RAF will be using it, we'll most likely be following suit. Would make sense surrounding the P-3's recent deployment to the Gulf of Aden, and the upcoming RIMPAC exercises.

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Re: Defense white paper

Postby Ian Warren » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:55 pm

Course we need a job, a commander .. someone that can fly these aircraft .. 767 .. Good Idea .. come on CP ..surely :)

If required I'll be your WINGMAN ... I do hang on pretty tight .. the cold temp dose get to ya fingers pretty quick tho :P
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Re: Defense white paper

Postby NZ255 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:16 am

So P8’s huh
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