NZQN RWY 23 approach

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Postby rocky289 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:56 am

Just watched this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CUdjBb0EM

I'm not great on navigation.
What approach would that have been following?
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Postby FunkymonkeyNZ » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:34 am

Its definitely not the RNP approach, PMDG just cant replicate that but i'll put my bottom dollar on he was using the RNAV G arrival for for Rwy 23

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Postby rocky289 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:13 am

So to get onto that, take the ELRU2B approach?
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Postby FunkymonkeyNZ » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:38 am

rocky289 wrote:
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So to get onto that, take the ELRU2B approach?


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Postby rocky289 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:51 am

Roger
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Postby NZ255 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:30 pm

Last time I flew the rnav app it dumped me off at about 4000 feet above the field with no where near enough room to get down comfortably....I haven't done it since but am I missing something?
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Postby cowpatz » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:40 pm

It's all on the chart Nick. The minima is 4100ft. Once at the MAP then follow the visual circuit diagram according to landing runway.
I am not sure most coded approaches ie for PMDG, Majestic or iFly will work because they need to have a runway coded into the procedure. This approach doesn't have that.
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Postby FunkymonkeyNZ » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:47 pm

NZ255 wrote:
QUOTE (NZ255 @ Sep 26 2014,4:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last time I flew the rnav app it dumped me off at about 4000 feet above the field with no where near enough room to get down comfortably....I haven't done it since but am I missing something?


Now that I watch this video again I'm pretty sure this chap didnt follow the appropriate procedure because the approach plate clearly states that for this RNAV approach, once at the MAP you need to break off and go visual either circling around for rwy05 or the figure 8 pattern for rwy23
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Postby rocky289 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:27 pm

I had a couple of attempts today but had to manually fly the last bit.
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Postby NZ255 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:34 pm

cowpatz wrote:
QUOTE (cowpatz @ Sep 26 2014,4:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's all on the chart Nick. The minima is 4100ft. Once at the MAP then follow the visual circuit diagram according to landing runway.
I am not sure most coded approaches ie for PMDG, Majestic or iFly will work because they need to have a runway coded into the procedure. This approach doesn't have that.

Oh I see! I couldn't figure out how that figure 8 part related to anything!

Thanks, I'll have another go later smile.gif
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Postby Lindstrim » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:04 pm

You will have to visually hand fly the figure 8 bit,

The RNP Y for 23 will get you 2000ft lower.
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Postby nzav8tor » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:14 am

Theres nothing stopping a request for a visual approach if conditions and traffic permit. It saves alot of time to break off early as shown in the video rather than fly the whole approach and figure 8 if it's not necessary.
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Postby NZ255 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:28 am

nzav8tor wrote:
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Theres nothing stopping a request for a visual approach if conditions and traffic permit. It saves alot of time to break off early as shown in the video rather than fly the whole approach and figure 8 if it's not necessary.

If on vatsim how would you request this? There's a video of the 732 from Ch to qn and he requests they cancel their IFR flight plan and proceed VFR, but I think I heard this it's not the correct procedure these days?
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Postby Lindstrim » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:16 pm

"Request visual approach" is how I do it when VMC and capable of maintaining constant visual with terrain/runway.
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Postby Ian Warren » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:03 am

Least you can its one airport that dose go into favour for "Request visual approach".
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Postby nzav8tor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:03 pm

If conditions permit virtually all commerical IFR traffic in NZ will fly visual approaches. There are specific procedures for AA and WN with visual reporting points.
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Postby cowpatz » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:13 pm

nzav8tor wrote:
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If conditions permit virtually all commerical IFR traffic in NZ will fly visual approaches. There are specific procedures for AA and WN with visual reporting points.


Except for heavies whereby these days it's the full approach. Some IFR traffic at other airfields like NZPP and NZQN still fly the RNAV or RNP approach track, even though visual, due to separation issues when integrating arriving IFR and VFR traffic . ATC or FSS will know the track of the arriving IFR traffic.
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Postby rocky289 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:33 pm

This could be what I'm after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEFssnB650

I'll give it a try tomorow.
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Postby FunkymonkeyNZ » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:44 pm

rocky289 wrote:
QUOTE (rocky289 @ Oct 1 2014,8:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This could be what I'm after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEFssnB650

I'll give it a try tomorow.


Just a heads up. You can pull off the NZQN RNP Y Approaches in the Aerosoft Airbus, and might i add very well. just make sure you turn your nav data in the aerosoft control program to navidata pro.
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Postby NZ255 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:44 pm

FunkymonkeyNZ wrote:
QUOTE (FunkymonkeyNZ @ Oct 1 2014,8:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
in the aerosoft control program to navidata pro.

Navigraph or NavDataPro? smile.gif
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