Jan 9 2007,9:10 PM
I was looking at the Aviation Services Ltd website today and viewed the Aircraft Technical sample Exam for fixed wing, did it, checked my answers and got a very pleasing mark (85%), and that's without studying!
BUT, these are sample papers and not the real thing, is the real thing anything like the sample papers? Cos if so I am as well go do one tomorrow!
Jan 9 2007,9:41 PM
I found most of the time they are pretty close but remember 85% is ok but it means you didn't know 15% of the material - if you get into ATC then the pass marks used to be Min 80% and emergency and seperation sections are 100% pass marks - at least it used to be, before the PC types got in - god knows what they are now!
by all means go and pass those exams , but you owe it to yourself and your future passengers and fellow aviators to find out what you got wrong and learn it.
good luck with them anyway
Jan 9 2007,9:48 PM
Ok Towerguy thanks, I've already looked some stuff up in my various textbooks. I'm gonna send away for the FRTO exam for Feb 7 and the Aircraft Tech exam on Mar 21.
Jan 9 2007,10:06 PM
I just sat the same practice exam and got 90%, but I have also got a PPL and almost a CPL, with that said i only scraped by on both tech exams....... ripped everything else to pieces though. ASL can be complete dicks with regards to their exams... you may have noticed a few questions on that exam where there is more than one right answer you must choose what ASL deem the "most correct" answer. It is also wise to critique any questions you have any doubts about. A class mate of mine found a question in IFR Nav, which had no correct answer associated..... He critiqued and they have now removed the paper. God only knows how many other people have got that exam and got the answer wrong because there was no correct one.....
Jan 10 2007,4:28 AM
I hated ASL with all of my heart!
If ever there was a bunch of imcompetent pricks then these are them!
The problem you have is that their exams were sh1t. They contained errors that should NEVER have been in any kind of formal exam and even when you point them out at the end of the paper these are never taken in to consideration!
In fact some of the errors that I pointed out led to the commercial navigation paper being "pulled" (and that being noted in Pacific Wings) simply because the paper contained so many f8cking errors!
BUT the thing that really got my goat was the fact I never received any of my exam results within the SLA of 7 days. As with all things related to this business, and seeing as they ran as a monopoly, the SLA of 7 days went from the maximum number of days it would take for them to get your results to you to the minimum amount of days it would take for exam results to get to you! They had no incentive to actually provide a service (dont even get me started on paying for express marking, not when all thats involved is a f9cking marking template being overlaid on to your answers!).
These incompetent f8ckers should never have been awarded the contract again in 2002 (or was it 2003?)!
Apart from that I dont have any problems with them
I always find the sample papers to be easier than the real thing, so does the rest of my class.
Our lecturer pointed out it probably because they want to trick us into thinking we dont need to study, then when we fail the real thing we have to pay them to do it again.
I always get about 97% in the CPL samples and about 90 in the real thing.
My IFR Nav Aids paper stated something like- "You are flying in the mountains, and your ADF needle is fluctuating. What can you do to decrease the accuracy of the ADF needle?"
Now I have no idea why you would want to decrease the accuracy of your navigation equipment, so I suspected it was a mistake, and was meant to say "What can be done to minimize the fluctuating", or, "What can be done to increase the accuracy?" Of course, one answer would have decreased accuracy, two would have increased it, and one was rubbish. I wrote a big speal on the back saying what I would do to increase accuracy and what I would do to decrease it, with my suspicion of the mistake.
I sometimes suspect their marking too, Nav Aids is my best subject, ask me any question from the book and I'd get it, but I got my lowest mark of 87% :/
Jan 10 2007,10:27 AM
I use the "Pilot Books" (Formally the Aviation Theory Centre) series- they seem pretty good with lots of information above and beyond the syllabus (i.e. you learn more rather than just studying to pass the exam)
Ive also found the practice exams easier- bare in mind also that a reduced number of questions in the practice exams means that is possible to get a very high score due to luck....a greater number of questions will pull your score closer to your actual knowledge on the topic...http://www.enternet.co.nz/users/aviation
Ive done my FRTO, Tech knowledge and Human factors exams....only the hard ones to go
Might actually have to do some proper study for these ones
Jan 10 2007,11:09 PM
When you do your weather exam all you have to remember is;
If its raining - dont fly
If its really windy - dont fly
If its sunny - its gonna be windy and rainy soon - dont fly
Jan 11 2007,4:01 PM
The hardest exam for me was Law... because its basically just memorizing large amounts of boring legalise... i think if i got one more wrong i would have failed.
I got 100% on Nav, despite being the first group to have to use the new charts, the sample chart they gave us having no deviation listed and a couple of other errors in the questions.
The 2 or 3 pages I wrote as a critique must have paid off
As mentioned above, the practice exams are usually easier that the real thing, at least i thought they were.
Jan 11 2007,4:39 PM
Ok thanks guys. i decided that for the meantime I'll only send away for the FRTO exam.
Also, the Navigational knowledge seems so hard! Remembering rules for deviation, calculating TAS, GS etc, and the use of a navigational computer.
Jan 11 2007,4:44 PM
For FRTO make sure you know things like visual light signals...... and also what to do in the event of a comm failure
Jan 11 2007,5:49 PM
|Also, the Navigational knowledge seems so hard! Remembering rules for deviation, calculating TAS, GS etc, and the use of a navigational computer.|
was easy for me... I used to do good old Tech Drawing at high school before it became 'Graphics & Design'... and my favourite part was doing the course plotting stuff
The Nav computers look scary, but are actually pretty easy once you know how to use it. I have this bullet proof metal jeppeson one that the course instructor at AFS looked at with scorn coz they preferred the plasticy ones...
I originally struggled with it a little bit, till one afternoon I sat down and read the little manual that came with it...
Its like most things... practice practice practice...
Jan 11 2007,6:27 PM
yeah I've still got the good ole kane E6B nav computer with the metal slide through the middle
Jan 12 2007,3:08 PM
Yeah dont buy a plastic nav computer- I did, i havnt even used it 'properly' yet but it is already warped beyond use.
On it, it says dont store in hot locations- mine was in a canvas flight bag in my car in the sun.....and still warped! They are junk IMO
So ill be buying a metal one.
Oh, btw, once you book an exam you have a month (i think) to sit it...so its probably not best to book too many in one go in case you run out of time (for someone like me, its hard to find time to study so im doing them one at a time)
The nav stuff will get easier when you do some actual flying.....or even try to apply the theory to flight sim flights...
Jan 15 2007,10:05 PM
|QUOTE (monkeybdg @ Jan 11 2007, 04:39 PM)|
| Also, the Navigational knowledge seems so hard! Remembering rules for deviation, calculating TAS, GS etc, and the use of a navigational computer. |
If the school you are flying through does courses then its probably worth your while to do a Navigation course simply because using the flight computer can be really hard if you dont know what you are doing (and depending on your style of learning etc).
Definately recommend doing a course for the Commercial Navigation exam.
Jan 16 2007,11:48 AM
Thanks mailman, not sure if the aeroclub does courses or not for that sorta thing...anyway the CPL Nav exam is a few years away yet!
Jan 16 2007,9:38 PM
Are you learning to fly in a C172?
Jan 17 2007,4:50 PM
Nah, learning in the tecnam in my Avatar. Really little thing.
Some info in the PDFs here
Jan 24 2007,11:11 AM
Well, I've been approved for the FRTO exam, I sit it next tuesday at 6pm.
Jan 24 2007,4:56 PM
Good luck for FRTO, its a fairly easy one. Im studying for PPL air tech at the moment and I tell you, I am going quite insane reading about gyroscopic instruments and anything to do with pressure!! One thing with these exams is that if you can do the sample exams in the back of the pilot books, then you will pass the real thing, just be really carefull with the ambigious questions that ASL slip in there.
Jan 24 2007,5:52 PM
i am going for my PPL at moment and the only exam i have done is human factors and the samlpe paper for that was nothing like the real exam
Jan 24 2007,6:34 PM
Good to know Hamish. Radio is my best subject by far. I haven't got the sample paper for it (they don't put it on their website unlike the others) but I think I'll pass.
Jan 24 2007,9:23 PM
oh ok i gotta try and get better at radio haven't done much with it yet where are you going for your ppl i am going for mine at the canterbury aero club
Jan 25 2007,7:26 AM
I'm doing FRTO today, so maybe I could give you a heads up on what sort of things might be in the test.
Jan 25 2007,9:45 AM
Thanks very much Mike.
Jan 30 2007,8:26 PM
I did mine a few hours ago. It wasn't too hard, should easily get the 70% required to pass. Only one or two tricky questions.
Jan 31 2007,1:16 AM
The only exams you need to actually study for is weather and navigation. All the others are doddles
Infact, if you had the inclination Id say instead of doing the bog standard PPL exams, do the CPL ones instead. Give you a better grounding in the fine arts and all that.
Jan 31 2007,8:53 AM
back in the good old days, you could sit the exams of a higher license and credit them towards a lower level license, e.g. sit CPL's and use them to get a PPL, but now they have changed their minds.... so you must sit everything...
Jan 31 2007,9:36 AM
I don't think there is a CPL FRTO exam, correct?
Jan 31 2007,11:22 AM
no there isnt, but was usefull for Human factors...... instead of sitting CPL, just did ATPL, which was easy as pie...... So YAY I have 1 ATPL, now to study for the rest of them.......
(i'll get to it when the weather stops being so nice)
Jan 31 2007,7:30 PM
Just got my PPL results back today:
Meteorology = 83%
FRTO = 88%
Law = 93%
Technical Knowledge = 95%
Human Factors = 96%
Navigation = 100%
I'm very happy overall. Pity met wasn't too good but at least it was still well over the pass mark.
Jan 31 2007,7:38 PM
As most of you know, Im not doing the ASL exams but the Massey Uni papers. We started on Monday, and I have my FRTO Exam next week thursday. Any heads up would be good, as the syllabus and theory books are all the same.
Ex ANZ Eng
Jan 31 2007,8:10 PM
when I did mine (all those years ago), I found the FRTO the easiest and Met was the hardest.
Jan 31 2007,8:11 PM
Hey cool Leo, apparently Met and Nav are the hardest so you did allright (speshly with nav)
Feb 1 2007,7:00 PM
Met is one of those subjects where there is a huge amount of "stuff" to learn that can often be quite confusing; the CPL folder I have for met is about the size of half the entire PPL syllabus!
Feb 1 2007,7:02 PM
Yeah, I spoke to the CFI today, it's gonna be 4 night classes, each 2 hours long. 8 hours of teaching + studying over 4 weeks. Sound feasible to you Leo?
Feb 1 2007,9:31 PM
I found met bearable if you are good at learning rules, that a happens because of b..... once you get a grasp of the general outline of most things and commit a few important things to memory, you'll be fine. CPL gets a little trickier especially Tropical met..... (which is really met on a macro scale)
Feb 2 2007,9:12 PM
|QUOTE (monkeybdg @ Feb 1 2007, 07:02 PM)|
| Yeah, I spoke to the CFI today, it's gonna be 4 night classes, each 2 hours long. 8 hours of teaching + studying over 4 weeks. Sound feasible to you Leo? |
If you physically have enough time in the day then it's feasible.
I think the key to aviation is to accept that there will be long periods where you have no life.
Feb 5 2007,5:05 PM
Yeah the night classes will be over before I start soccer for the year (at which point I will have no life until the 4th term...)
Feb 5 2007,11:53 PM
|QUOTE (kiwiflyboy @ Jan 31 2007, 08:53 AM)|
| back in the good old days, you could sit the exams of a higher license and credit them towards a lower level license, e.g. sit CPL's and use them to get a PPL, but now they have changed their minds.... so you must sit everything... |
Farken who was the genius that passed that decree? I bet ASL is laughing all the way to the bank!
Feb 6 2007,10:03 AM
There are a few people who did a couple of my PPL classes who had done all their CPL papers, but only some of their PPL papers, and then the law changed before they sat their CPL flight test, so they had to go back and do PPL theory, for the papers they had missed.
Feb 8 2007,12:13 AM
Do you know what the reasoning was behind that change??
I mean, what is covered in the PPL that isnt covered in greater depth in the CPL exams?
Feb 8 2007,8:24 AM
I just think it was a money thing. Nelson Aviation College runs a really good ground course on CPL theory. Thats what I was going to go and do, spend 10 weeks or whatever doing that and then not having to worry about the exams at all. It sounds bad but I really do think that too many people were doing it and they wernt sucking as much money. The prices for the exams went up at the same time.
Feb 8 2007,8:26 AM
We get a lot of CPLs-in-training from the nelson aviation college round NZNS (theyre based at NZMK). In fact I believe my instructor was fresh out of the college when she started instructing.
Feb 8 2007,6:25 PM
|QUOTE (mailman @ Feb 8 2007, 12:13 AM)|
| Do you know what the reasoning was behind that change??|
I mean, what is covered in the PPL that isnt covered in greater depth in the CPL exams?
Nah I don't really know. As you say, pretty much everything in PPL is covered again in CPL and then expanded on further.
Feb 9 2007,9:01 PM
Anyone know when i could expect my results?
Feb 9 2007,10:02 PM
You can check on their website http://www.aviation.co.nz
and i think its usually within 10 days or so....... (they are useless though)
Feb 10 2007,3:56 AM
|QUOTE (monkeybdg @ Feb 9 2007, 09:01 PM)|
| Anyone know when i could expect my results? |
|MARKING AND RESULTS|
Normally, multi-choice examinations will be marked within 7 working days from the date of sitting. Long answer examinations will normally be marked within 10 working days from the date of sitting.
Note their wording...MARKED! They will mark your work within 7 or 10 days. Nothing there about when you will actually receive your marks!
And lets be honest here, its a f8cking template for short answers, how hard can it be to mark the tests on the day or even straight after the exam and give the results back to you on the spot OR within 5 working days (even taking in to account 3 days for postage!).
This is one of the many reasons I think these guys are c8nts! They have a monopoly and because of this they dont have to provide you with a service! IF they had some true competition they would be forced to pick their game up and actually provide a service!
Bunch of f8cking w8nkers!
There, I feel much better now
Feb 10 2007,8:20 AM
Good to know Mailman
Anyway I cannot find my acceptance slip for the exam, and therefore my slip number. This means that I cannot use the online results tool. Surely there would be another way to get the results? I mean, not everyone has the internet so how would they get their results
|QUOTE (monkeybdg @ Feb 10 2007, 08:20 AM)|
| Surely there would be another way to get the results? I mean, not everyone has the internet so how would they get their results|
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